Tattoos and Piercings

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john832

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If you are going to use that verse to verify that tattoos are wrong then you have to use the preceding verse as well:

Lev 19:27 You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard.

You don't see anything wrong with shaving a circle on your head in honor of Ra the sun god? That is what this is about. The Egyptians cut their beards in s strange manner to honor their pagan gods...

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


what about verse 32...do you stand up when an old person enters your presence??

Lev 19:32 'You shall rise before the gray headed and honor the presence of an old man, and fear your God: I am the LORD.
Yes I do, I rise in honor of anyone who enters the room that is older than I am. Having proper respect for the elderly NEVER goes out of style.
 
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=john832;1145105]You don't see anything wrong with shaving a circle on your head in honor of Ra the sun god? That is what this is about. The Egyptians cut their beards in s strange manner to honor their pagan gods...
don't twist the context of what I'm saying...





Yes I do, I rise in honor of anyone who enters the room that is older than I am. Having proper respect for the elderly NEVER goes out of style.
Glad you do it, but how many of today's Christians would?...that is what I'm saying, people are quick to condemn what can be seen like tattoos but do they themselves adhere to other things that are unseen?
 
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Cino

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This is a clear and simple question to answer. I don't know what the fuss is all about. Lev 19:28 says "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you." Piercings are cuts in the flesh. Ok, so we don't do it for the dead, but we should not do anything to our body, as our body is the temple of God, and he made us without piercings and tattoos. It clearly states that we should not print any marks on our body." Simple.
 
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Graybeard

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This is a clear and simple question to answer. I don't know what the fuss is all about. Lev 19:28 says "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you." Piercings are cuts in the flesh. Ok, so we don't do it for the dead, but we should not do anything to our body, as our body is the temple of God, and he made us without piercings and tattoos. It clearly states that we should not print any marks on our body." Simple.
so tell me, do you have pieced ears?....
 
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Cino

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To Graybeard: NO I don't have pierced ears and neither do any of my daughters or other women of my family or church. Also, NO tattoos. I live by what I believe... faith without works is dead.
 

ForthAngel

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To Graybeard: NO I don't have pierced ears and neither do any of my daughters or other women of my family or church. Also, NO tattoos. I live by what I believe... faith without works is dead.
Hi Cino. I agree that if a personal conviction on this subject directs one to not get a tattoo or piercing, then they shouldn't and I respect that, but I am curious, if we shouldn't get a tattoo or piercing should we also stone our disobedient children?

Some think that all the old laws are still applicable other than the sacrificing of animals, and if this is the case, there are a lot of people who would have died horrible deaths already, including myself. That's why I think that personal conviction in the matter of tattoos and piercings is ok for the individual, but on a global scale, I don't think this should be enforced. If we enforce this one, we have to enforce them all, right?
 
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Besides it being scriptural, lets look at Lev 19:32 as CHILDREN of GOD, not just as OT reference...God banished them from doing it back then because THE WORLD did it...why would it be OK to do what the world does now? In relation to Romans 12:2 and the ORIGIN of Tattoos...why would a Christian want/get one?
 
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Cino

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This is to FORTHANGEL: I don't know of anyone nor have I ever heard of anyone stoning their children to death after the Old Testament, unless you are talking about certain countries who mistreat their women and children. I am talking about CHRSITIANS here regarding the piercings and tattoos, and I don't think any Christian that I have ever heard of stones their children to death. If they do, then they certainly are not true Christians. The Bible tells us Christians to abstain from the things of this world. Keep yourself unspotted from the world. How can you tell the difference between a Christian and a non Christian just by looking at them, if everyone would have tattoos and piercings the same. The problem is, that many denominations do not think it is a sin to wear jewellery or have piercings or have tattoos, so the leaders of the denominations approve it to be okay. Well, if the leaders tell you it's perfectly okay to do other sins, would you do it? Or would you be lead by the word of God? I cannot understand why any true Christian would want any piercings or tattoos. That's my opinion. I think if they do, then they are putting their hearts on things of this world.
 
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Cino

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One more thing. There are just things we have to do or not do, just because GOD SAYS SO. We have to have the faith that the word of God is HIS word. And sometimes we can fight yes or no till we turn blue, but the bottom line is that true Christians are to be obedient to the word of God....just because He says to do something or not to do it. We should not question everything that God says. Who are we to question something when God tells us not to do it? Are we to make excuses to turn it around and say it's ok? We are only fooling ourselves and trying to fool others. We just have to learn to be obedient, that if God says NO don't do it... we don't do it because He said not to. Or, if God says yes to do something, then we must do that too. Sometimes there has to be a time when no questions are asked. Have you ever heard a mother or father tell their child to do something, and the child asks why..... and the parent comes back and says "because I said so". End of story. Well, the same with God. We just have to obey his word and do what he says.... because he says so.
 
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God does not have slaves. Read the bible.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: (NASB)

Simeon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. (HCSB)

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: (KJV)

The Greek is doulous: Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon :: G1401

Where will you go?

John 6:67 So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” (ESV)
 

john832

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don't twist the context of what I'm saying...





Glad you do it, but how many of today's Christians would?...that is what I'm saying, people are quick to condemn what can be seen like tattoos but do they themselves adhere to other things that are unseen?
So, because everybody does not do it, does that negate this? Very few people are honest on their taxes, does that make it OK to cheat on them?
 

john832

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To Graybeard: NO I don't have pierced ears and neither do any of my daughters or other women of my family or church. Also, NO tattoos. I live by what I believe... faith without works is dead.
Glad to see this Cino!
 

john832

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Hi Cino. I agree that if a personal conviction on this subject directs one to not get a tattoo or piercing, then they shouldn't and I respect that, but I am curious, if we shouldn't get a tattoo or piercing should we also stone our disobedient children?

Some think that all the old laws are still applicable other than the sacrificing of animals, and if this is the case, there are a lot of people who would have died horrible deaths already, including myself. That's why I think that personal conviction in the matter of tattoos and piercings is ok for the individual, but on a global scale, I don't think this should be enforced. If we enforce this one, we have to enforce them all, right?
How about a personal conviction concerning this?

Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

It does not really matter about your or my personal convictions...

Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
 
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richie_2uk

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Can anyone show me where it says in Gods word that He don't like tattoos
Yes sure. [h=3]Leviticus 19: 28
You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I
am the Lord
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john832

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Hi Cino. I agree that if a personal conviction on this subject directs one to not get a tattoo or piercing, then they shouldn't and I respect that, but I am curious, if we shouldn't get a tattoo or piercing should we also stone our disobedient children?

Some think that all the old laws are still applicable other than the sacrificing of animals, and if this is the case, there are a lot of people who would have died horrible deaths already, including myself. That's why I think that personal conviction in the matter of tattoos and piercings is ok for the individual, but on a global scale, I don't think this should be enforced. If we enforce this one, we have to enforce them all, right?
Well, let's see now, who carried out the stonings under the Theocracy we see in Israel in the Pentateuch? Just anyone? Did God endorse vigilante's running rampant? Who made the decisions?

Exo 18:15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exo 18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exo 18:17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.
Exo 18:18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.
Exo 18:19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
Exo 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
Exo 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
Exo 18:22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
Exo 18:23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Exo 18:24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.
Exo 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
Exo 18:26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.

The duly authorized officials, just like we have a judicial system today (difference is God's way works). There were not vigilantes running around stoning people on a whim...

Deu 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deu 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Deu 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deu 17:7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
Deu 17:8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;
Deu 17:9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:
Deu 17:10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
Deu 17:11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
Deu 17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.

Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Deu 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
Deu 19:17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
Deu 19:18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
Deu 19:19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
Deu 19:20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

And you don't think there is a death penalty today for breaking the Law?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Cino

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We also have to remember that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. And if God is the same, then certainly HIS WORD, the Bible, is the same. I hear too often that people try to make excuses that the Bible was for years ago and not for our time. Excuses that it's not for us, but it for those people way back then, etc. Excuse to try to twist the word of God to suit us. Why do real Christians try to twist the word of God to suit themselves? I said it before and I will say it again. Sometimes we just have to do something or NOT do it, just because GOD SAID SO. We don't need to ask all the questions. Who are we to question something when God tells us NOT to do something, or questions when he tells to DO something? We are to be obedient children of God and do it just because he said so, and we may never ever know the answers or the reasons why. We have to have faith to believe that these are the teachings of our Father in Heaven, and He tells us what pleases him and what doesn't. Have you ever heard a parent tell a child to do something, and the child asks why, and the parent turns around and says "because I said so". Well, the same with God. We are to do things or not do things, just because he said so. I'm so sick of people saying the Bible is for those that lived in those times, they are not for everyone, it doesn't mean we can't do this because in these days we can, etc, etc. God doesn't change and neither does His word. And if we all want to be REAL Christians and not superficial or hypocritical Christians, then we must live by the word of God.
 
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More important Jesus commands us to be wise in all things. So many fools have tattoos and piercings.
 

john832

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More important Jesus commands us to be wise in all things. So many fools have tattoos and piercings.
There also is an atheists national holiday, April 1st. We call it April Fool's Day...

Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
 
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I believe tattoos and piercings are a visible sign of rebellion against God.