Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

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. Thats then makes understandable that you dont like jews.
i do wish you would stop putting words in my mouth.

you complain about not getting your questions answered, but is there any wonder.

because you ask a question you already have an answer to..

then if the answer is not your answer, you revert to becoming like this. Putting words in people's mouths.

and you ask questions based on your own understanding, which at times is very questionable
 
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I can't believe that people would defend genocide
It's those that support killing babies and sexual perversion in the communist news media that are claiming Israel is involved in genocide as they go to war to defend their right to live against islam which is sworn to kill all Jews just because they are Jews which of course is genocide

So you got the pro genocide news media claiming Israel is doing genocide against those that want to do genocide to them!
 

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this is all confusing the matter more.

The bible says Abraham was a Hebrew.

It doesn't give any explanation of what Hebrew is.

But I'm certain God was not calling abraham a language or a terminology.

IT seems pretty certain to me a Hebrew was a distinct blood line, distinct from the Jews
So if i am not wrong, then this bloodline is Abraham, Isaak, Jakob, his 12 sons turns into the 12 tribes of Israel. So jewish people today have their bloodline in one of this 12 tribes. A jew and a hebrew is the same. He is a descend of one of the 12 tribes.
 
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It's those that support killing babies and sexual perversion in the communist news media that are claiming Israel is involved in genocide as they go to war to defend their right to live against islam which is sworn to kill all Jews just because they are Jews which of course is genocide

So you got the pro genocide news media claiming Israel is doing genocide against those that want to do genocide to them!
So if i am not wrong, then this bloodline is Abraham, Isaak, Jakob, his 12 sons turns into the 12 tribes of Israel. So jewish people today have their bloodline in one of this 12 tribes. A jew and a hebrew is the same. He is a descend of one of the 12 tribes.
16 judges at the high court of international judges, for NATO charged isreal with genocide, because of sufficient evidence. Out of those 16 judges only one of them voted against charging Isreal with genocide.

Let me guess, that one judge must be both of you two.

Who defends genocide with no evidence


So neither one of you are a judge, and neither one of you are qualified.
 

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i do wish you would stop putting words in my mouth.

you complain about not getting your questions answered, but is there any wonder.

because you ask a question you already have an answer to..

then if the answer is not your answer, you revert to becoming like this. Putting words in people's mouths.

and you ask questions based on your own understanding, which at times is very questionable
Sorry, of course it is an assumption. If I am wrong, you can tell me. Till now I mustly read from you negative items about Israel and positive items from Moslems. If I am wrong, then correct me.

You telling that judah is the only tribe which is left today. And I asked you who are then the members of the 12 tribes which are mentioned in the book of Revelation? Which is an event in the future. But it seems to me that you avoid to answer this question.
And of course i have an answer, because it is written in the word of God.
According your statement then the word of God lies, because your statement is that today is only the tribe of judah left.
 

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16 judges at the high court of international judges, for NATO charged isreal with genocide, because of sufficient evidence. Out of those 16 judges only one of them voted against charging Isreal with genocide.

Let me guess, that one judge must be both of you two.

Who defends genocide with no evidence


So neither one of you are a judge, and neither one of you are qualified.
Why you coming now with the genocide? I said in my post nothing about genocide.
 
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Why you coming now with the genocide? I said in my post nothing about genocide.
because you accuse me of not liking the Jews, but yet your defending the jews who have been charged with genocide.
 
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So if i am not wrong, then this bloodline is Abraham, Isaak, Jakob, his 12 sons turns into the 12 tribes of Israel. So jewish people today have their bloodline in one of this 12 tribes. A jew and a hebrew is the same. He is a descend of one of the 12 tribes.
i sent you two links to study, regarding the tribes.

So if you can not be bothered to study them. Don't ask me any more questions.
 

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this is all confusing the matter more.

The bible says Abraham was a Hebrew.

It doesn't give any explanation of what Hebrew is.

But I'm certain God was not calling abraham a language or a terminology.

IT seems pretty certain to me a Hebrew was a distinct blood line, distinct from the Jews
The Jews did not exist at the time of Abraham, so you continue to confuse the issue in your own mind
with these pointless ruminations. You say no explanation is given for what a Hebrew is, but then carry on
claiming again and again it is a term that should be used instead of Jew. Jeepers. Give it up already.
 
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Sorry, of course it is an assumption. If I am wrong, you can tell me. Till now I mustly read from you negative items about Israel and positive items from Moslems. If I am wrong, then correct me.

You telling that judah is the only tribe which is left today. And I asked you who are then the members of the 12 tribes which are mentioned in the book of Revelation? Which is an event in the future. But it seems to me that you avoid to answer this question.
And of course i have an answer, because it is written in the word of God.
According your statement then the word of God lies, because your statement is that today is only the tribe of judah left.
honestly your obviously reading what I write the way you want, to.

And your still defending the Jews.

This discussion is who is to blame for the war.

It's not about Jews the people, it about Jews the leaders.

Here you go this is pretty accurate



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Why Did God Send The Israelites Into Exile (Captivity)?
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The city of Jerusalem was conquered in 587 BC by the Babylonians and many Israelites were sent into exile for seventy years. Why did this happen? The main historical books of the Old Testament were written to answer this question, so let’s take a closer look at them.
God’s faithfulness
God is trustworthy and His promises never fail. He promised Abraham that He would give him and his offspring the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession (Genesis 17:8). After 400 years in Egypt, the people of Israel journeyed forty years through the desert until they reached the promised land. Led by Joshua, they conquered the land west of the Jordan and devoted the cities of the Canaanites to destruction.
At the end of Joshua’s life, he could tell them that “not one word has failed of all the good things that the Lord your God promised concerning you. All have come to pass for you; not one of them has failed” (Joshua 23:14). However, about 6 centuries later the capital cities Samaria and Jerusalem were destroyed, the land of Israel ruined and the upper class of society was led captive to the East, to Babylon. How come?
Israel’s sin
The brief answer on the central question of this article is sin. The longer answer is found in the biblical historiography. There we read that the promise to the Israelites concerning the land was not unconditional, but depended on the obedience of the people to God’s law. Moses states it as follows in Deuteronomy 28:
If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God, then the Lord will bring on you and your offspring extraordinary afflictions […] And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it. And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other” (Deuteronomy 28:58-64).
As early as in the time of the Judges, it went wrong. The people worshiped idols and committed all kinds of terrible sins. After a brief time of prosperity during the reign of David and Solomon, it worsened again under the successive kings of Israel and Judah.
About the kingdom of Israel, the book of Kings has nothing positive to say. In 722 BC Samaria was conquered by the Assyrians and the ten tribes were lost up to the present day.
The two tribes of Judah lasted 150 years longer and knew some good kings like Jehoshaphat, Hezekiah, and Josiah. But the majority of the people sinned grievously against their Lord and their neighbors, despite the continuous admonitions of the prophets. God punished them to bring them to conversion, but in vain. They stuck to their own ways.
God’s punishment
Finally, after so many years of warnings, God brought upon the people of Judah the judgment about which Moses spoke. The people were sent into exile in Babylon because of their sins. The Chronicler writes:
All the officers of the priests and the people likewise were exceedingly unfaithful, following all the abominations of the nations. And they polluted the house of the Lord that He had made holy in Jerusalem. The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent persistently to them by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they kept mocking the messengers of God, despising His words and scoffing at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord rose against His people until there was no remedy. […] The king of the Chaldeans […] took into exile in Babylon those who had escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and to his sons until the establishment of the kingdom of Persia, to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed its Sabbaths. All the days that it lay desolate it kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years” (2 Chronicles 36:14-21).
The solution
God’s trustworthiness did not allow Him to abandon His people forever into exile. After seventy years, they were allowed to return to their land and start again. However, it is clear that the main problem of sin in the history of Israel was not solved. It remains an open question in the Old Testament how God can dwell with incorrigible sinners. Somehow, the law should be within the people and written in their hearts before real obedience is achieved (Jeremiah 31:33).
In the New Testament, this mystery is revealed: Jesus Christ, the Son of God, became man and died for the sins of his people. Now God’s Spirit dwells in every believer (1 Corinthians 3:16) and God remains with them forever:
Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God” (Revelation 21:3).
 
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The Jews did not exist at the time of Abraham, so you continue to confuse the issue in your own mind
with these pointless ruminations. You say no explanation is given for what a Hebrew is, but then carry on
claiming again and again it is a term that should be used instead of Jew. Jeepers. Give it up already.
this is a distortion of what I said. You say the Jews did not exist at the time of abraham was born, but I find this very hard to believe.

and I would like supporting evidence.

my claim is simply Abraham was a hebrew distinct from the Jews.

im saying the hebrews and the Jews are to distinct nations.

this is simple to understand
 

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this is a distortion of what I said. You say the Jews did not exist at the time of abraham was born, but I find this very hard to believe.

and I would like supporting evidence.

my claim is simply Abraham was a hebrew distinct from the Jews.

im saying the hebrews and the Jews are to distinct nations.

this is simple to understand
Yes, easy to understand, but wrong.
Abraham and his covenant with God includes all today living jews (hebrews). There is no different between Jews and hebrews.

And again, an from Satan foundet religion, the Islam want eliminate all jews from the land Israel. This you can call an genocide!
But not the present war in Gaza. I never heared that an Land which will genocide an other one, helps them in hospitals, as Israel does with his enemy. To say Israel is genocide the palastine in Gaza is simply an lie. !! And if this would be there goal they are doing this job, very bad.!
 
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Yes, easy to understand, but wrong.
Abraham and his covenant with God includes all today living jews (hebrews). There is no different between Jews and hebrews.

And again, an from Satan foundet religion, the Islam want eliminate all jews from the land Israel. This you can call an genocide!
But not the present war in Gaza. I never heared that an Land which will genocide an other one, helps them in hospitals, as Israel does with his enemy. To say Israel is genocide the palastine in Gaza is simply an lie. !! And if this would be there goal they are doing this job, very bad.!
ridiculous, your whole premise is flawed, and full of personal opinion, that any child would say, who has learnt something from someone else, but not studied for himself.

Your view points are the views of the goats, that try to follow the shepherd, but fail miserably, because the goats listen to the crowd, and dont study the word of God,

They then all follow there nose, which is like a dog searching for a bone, and then when they find that bone they get aggressive, should you get near that bone.

Most dogs are the same this way, the dogs will not share when they discover a bone , so it is a type of vomit.

So you have views that are like bones, because you share them like a dog.

You also find your views like a dog would find a bone,


And you Dont listen to good reason to let those bones go.

I hardly see you post any scripture either.
 
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Sorry, of course it is an assumption. If I am wrong, you can tell me. Till now I mustly read from you negative items about Israel and positive items from Moslems. If I am wrong, then correct me.

You telling that judah is the only tribe which is left today. And I asked you who are then the members of the 12 tribes which are mentioned in the book of Revelation? Which is an event in the future. But it seems to me that you avoid to answer this question.
And of course i have an answer, because it is written in the word of God.
According your statement then the word of God lies, because your statement is that today is only the tribe of judah left.
Abraham was called a Hebrew by God.

The sons of Jacob where called Israelites by God.

So no there is a clear distinction.

Don't confuse the matter
 

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Abraham was called a Hebrew by God.

The sons of Jacob where called Israelites by God.

So no there is a clear distinction.

Don't confuse the matter
You are still not able to answer to what I have written. So who confuses?

You honestly will tell me that Abraham and Jacob belong not to the same family?
 
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You are still not able to answer to what I have written. So who confuses?

You honestly will tell me that Abraham and Jacob belong not to the same family?
The fact of the matter is God called Abraham a Hebrew.

God called the sons Of Jacob the Israelites.

A clear distinction

However you want to change that to mean something else by asking questions, is your choice.
 
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You are still not able to answer to what I have written. So who confuses?

You honestly will tell me that Abraham and Jacob belong not to the same family?
if you want.to get technical with names, why did God give esau a promise separate to Jacob and why did God call the sons of Esau the Edomites.

Let's see what your answer is.



Genesis 27 verse 39

39 Isaac his father answered him,
“Behold, your dwelling will be of the fatness of the earth,
and of the dew of the sky from above.


Genesis 36 verses 6 - 9

6 Esau took his wives, his sons, his daughters, and all the members of his household, with his livestock, all his animals, and all his possessions, which he had gathered in the land of Canaan, and went into a land away from his brother Jacob. 7 For their substance was too great for them to dwell together, and the land of their travels couldn’t bear them because of their livestock. 8 Esau lived in the hill country of Seir. Esau is Edom.
9 This is the history of the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in the hill country of Seir:

Deuteronomy 2 verse 5

5 Don’t contend with them; for I will not give you any of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on, because I have given Mount Seir to Esau for a possession.

I gave to Isaac Jacob and Esau: and I gave to Esau Mount Seir, to possess it. Jacob and his children went down into Egypt.
 

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The fact of the matter is God called Abraham a Hebrew.

God called the sons Of Jacob the Israelites.

A clear distinction

However you want to change that to mean something else by asking questions, is your choice.
No sir, you are wrong with your view.
God distinct not between Abraham and Jacob.
It is one line: Abraham- Isaak- Jakob- the 12 tribes. All members of this 12 tribes are Israel/jews/hebrews. Call them as you want.
 
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No sir, you are wrong with your view.
God distinct not between Abraham and Jacob.
It is one line: Abraham- Isaak- Jakob- the 12 tribes. All members of this 12 tribes are Israel/jews/hebrews. Call them as you want.
nope your not calling me wrong your calling the word of God wrong.

The fact is God called Abraham a Hebrew

God called the sons of Jacob the Israelites

And the sons of Esau the Edomites
 
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Netanyahu has called the Palestine people the amelek

This is what bible says about the amelek

In 1 Samuel 15:1–9, Samuel identifies Amalek as the enemy of Israelites, saying "Thus says the Lord of hosts: I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt." God then commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites, by killing man, woman, infant and suckling


So my question is netanyahu killing all the children in Palestine, thinking he is the prophet Samuel 🤔