Ukraine the bad guy?
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You may not understand that Progie is NOT a battlefield commander. No, but he is a manager and "spokesman" and maybe paymaster.
In fact, ALL Wagner unit/field commanders are Russian MOD, and Russian FSB is peppered throughout.
And Progie of course was perfectly well aware of:
1) these back-channels to Putin.
2) that Putin demands total loyalty and betrayal is fatal
3) that his future and well being is wholly predicated upon the premise of #2
4) Progie is already a very wealth man, with a fortune that must be in the hundreds of millions at least
For these reasons (and more), I think that the probability that Progie
went rogue or cracked under pressure or took the CIA bribe then relented at the last moment
to be very very slim.
Far far more likely is the scenario that there was allowed channels of contact with spook agency and NATO operatives who attempted a coup attempt via bribe etc. Progie did the right thing for his mob boss Putin, acted as a double agent, and engaged with his security apparatus in a staged counter-coup, the results of which benefited all parties, and accelerated the war effort.
The whole escapade was just too quick, clean and the results were just too neat and tidy for me to believe that it was not all carefully orchestrated from the start.
In fact, ALL Wagner unit/field commanders are Russian MOD, and Russian FSB is peppered throughout.
And Progie of course was perfectly well aware of:
1) these back-channels to Putin.
2) that Putin demands total loyalty and betrayal is fatal
3) that his future and well being is wholly predicated upon the premise of #2
4) Progie is already a very wealth man, with a fortune that must be in the hundreds of millions at least
For these reasons (and more), I think that the probability that Progie
went rogue or cracked under pressure or took the CIA bribe then relented at the last moment
to be very very slim.
Far far more likely is the scenario that there was allowed channels of contact with spook agency and NATO operatives who attempted a coup attempt via bribe etc. Progie did the right thing for his mob boss Putin, acted as a double agent, and engaged with his security apparatus in a staged counter-coup, the results of which benefited all parties, and accelerated the war effort.
The whole escapade was just too quick, clean and the results were just too neat and tidy for me to believe that it was not all carefully orchestrated from the start.
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Indeed....
"So Belarus where Russia just stationed nukes and who has steadfastly supported Russia has allowed the leader of a force that was in an “insurrection” against Russia to just stay and hang out?"
"What are the odds that Prigozhin and Putin merely used this opportunity to relocate Prigozhin to Belarus to lead a new expeditionary force of Mercs from Belarus directly to Kiev for the kill shot on cocaine-boy?"
"So Belarus where Russia just stationed nukes and who has steadfastly supported Russia has allowed the leader of a force that was in an “insurrection” against Russia to just stay and hang out?"
"What are the odds that Prigozhin and Putin merely used this opportunity to relocate Prigozhin to Belarus to lead a new expeditionary force of Mercs from Belarus directly to Kiev for the kill shot on cocaine-boy?"
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The senior commander Demitry Unkin was born in Ukraine actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin He was who led the caravan to Moscow https://www.jpost.com/international/2023-06-24/live-updates-747544?page=2 there's not a lot of photos of him but this is what he looks like
An interesting opinion....
"Mercenaries cannot operate on Russian soil. Since the oblast referendums were embraced by, and became part of, Russia, the mercenaries were unlawful. This is why Wagner was to be assimilated into the Russian military, who is now allowed to operate on the new Russian soil.
As far as his main beef with Shoigu, Prigozhin had many, many lucrative logistic and supply contracts with the MOD. Shoigu is not military...he is a logistics administrator...and he was going to take over the logistics himself and Prigozhin would be cut out of all that money that helped make him a billionaire grifter.
Now he may still be able to operate out of Belarus, since that does not violate Russian law. In fact, I think this was most likely the agreement that was reached with Vladimir Vladimirovich."
"Mercenaries cannot operate on Russian soil. Since the oblast referendums were embraced by, and became part of, Russia, the mercenaries were unlawful. This is why Wagner was to be assimilated into the Russian military, who is now allowed to operate on the new Russian soil.
As far as his main beef with Shoigu, Prigozhin had many, many lucrative logistic and supply contracts with the MOD. Shoigu is not military...he is a logistics administrator...and he was going to take over the logistics himself and Prigozhin would be cut out of all that money that helped make him a billionaire grifter.
Now he may still be able to operate out of Belarus, since that does not violate Russian law. In fact, I think this was most likely the agreement that was reached with Vladimir Vladimirovich."
God's plans are greater, All Unholy Russia from the peasants to the boyars to their Unholy Tsar Putin will be thrown out of Ukraine's land that they unholy tried to steal for lies and lusts of murder and they will be destroyed by God. How God dashes the wicked against eachother, and no one can stop him, PRAISE JESUS!