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[WhyNotAsk]

I would also add to Dino's post in that, you can't see gravity, but it's there.

Since scripture states that there is nothing in all creation that is hidden from Him. And that all things are laid bare and open before Him and that even the very hairs of our head are all numbered, then we should know that God is well aware of who we are and what we're doing.

Regarding proof, did you ever compare the Messianic prophecies written in the prophets and Psalms and then compare them to their fulfillment by Jesus?

Seriously, I appreciate the comment, but verses like this are exactly what turned me away from this faith, because they expect you to believe with out evidence. "Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see." Faith is what we hope, and evidence of things unseen , literally faith is the belief in something with out evidence, yet the fact that you have faith somehow is the evidence of the thing that you have faith in. Lets do this.
Faith/belief in Santa is the hope and evidence for his existence (things unseen) *point is its a circular argument that doesn't even use evidence to prove that the claim is true*

"They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God " I believe this is from Romans, Lets break this down "they know the truth about God" just an assertion backed with another assertion."because he has made it obvious to them" has he ? yet another assertion . "For ever since the world was created-people have seen the earth and sky." I don't disagree with the last part
"Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature."
Yes, we can clearly see the absence and the invisible qualities of the claimed eternal and divine powered deity, just as if It does't even exist isn't that strange.

In case you are about to ask, do I feel awe when I go out and watch the stars at night and see the sheer size of the cosmos, answer is yes, it fills me with wonder and makes me really ponder, if there are many other planets like earth in the Goldie lox zone where life can prosper, where civilisations can rise and come to understand their true place in the universe, potentially looking at the same portion of the sky and wondering the same thing "Are there others out there like me ?" When thinking about it's inevitable that there is other life out there.

idea of a God really shows the lack of understanding when it comes to cosmology, we have this God who only is written about in the Bible who apparently does things that have never been observed and is extremely interested in the Jewish people, later he decided to extend this out to the rest of the people on earth... Realise there are 8.8 billions earth size planets that also have same class sun just in the milky way alone and that is just the ones we know about looking at a tiny fraction of space. Have you ever wondered if your God is just a pawn of some Greater entity who actually own the rest of the milky way and that "God" is just a pawn of some other even greater entity that Controls multiple galaxies who submits to the ultimate emperor
Guess what it does't matter, because we don't even have sufficient evidence to say the first character exists only as a work of fiction for primitive people that didn't even know the earth was round. Needless to say the argument the bible says you know there is a god is very weak since it doesn't have anything to support the claim. Plus we have millions of people who don't think there is a God, for one reason alone "because they haven't seen any evidence to sway them the other way"

 

[Ahwatukee]

Seriously, I appreciate the comment, but verses like this are exactly what turned me away from this faith, because they expect you to believe with out evidence. "Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see." Faith is what we hope, and evidence of things unseen , literally faith is the belief in something with out evidence, yet the fact that you have faith somehow is the evidence of the thing that you have faith in. Lets do this.

As I said, God is looking for people of faith. If you're looking for signs as proof, you are nothing less than the Pharisees who demanded signs, even though Jesus was performing them left and right.

The evidence that I gave you is all of creation, by which according to the scripture I provided, no one will have an excuse for not believing in God.

I also asked you if you have ever compared the prophesies written about Christ in the OT to their fulfillment in the NT. Is that not proof for you, or do you not believe in the word of God? Those prophesies were written hundreds and some thousands of years before Christ. It seems more like you're looking more for an excuse not to believe, than to believe.

Faith/belief in Santa is the hope and evidence for his existence (things unseen) *point is its a circular argument that doesn't even use evidence to prove that the claim is true

The comparison above is nothing short of pathetic!

"They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God " I believe this is from Romans, Lets break this down "they know the truth about God" just an assertion backed with another assertion "because he has made it obvious to them" has he ? yet another assertion . "For ever since the world was created-people have seen the earth and sky." I don't disagree with the last part
"Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature."
Yes, we can clearly see the absence and the invisible qualities of the claimed eternal and divine powered deity, just as if It does't even exist isn't that strange.

There is no breaking the above down! The point of the scripture is that all of the things of nature are clearly by design. The sun, moon and all of the galaxies and their stars. All of the prey and predator animals with all of their characteristics, their markings, their camouflages. The tropical fish with all of their vibrant colors, the variety of fruit trees, all of the different types of vegetables and I could go on and on. How about the human body with all of its organs performing different functions, all being located in specific places within the body, with a skin covering which allows water to escape, but keeps water out. Eyes to see with, a mouth to speak with, ears to hear with, etc. Do you think that evolution did all of this?

In case you are about to ask, do I feel awe when I go out and watch the stars at night and see the sheer size of the cosmos, answer is yes, it fills me with wonder and makes me really ponder, if there are many other planets like earth in the Goldie lox zone where life can prosper, where civilizations can rise and come to understand their true place in the universe, potentially looking at the same portion of the sky and wondering the same thing "Are there others out there like me ?" When thinking about it's inevitable that there is other life out there. Plus we have millions of people who don't think there is a God, for one reason alone "because they haven't seen any evidence to sway them the other way"

Regarding those Billions of people who don't believe in God, the wrath of God will be coming upon this earth specifically for that reason, in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments . And during that time the inhabitants of the earth will know who is responsible for those plagues of wrath and they will still curse God because of them.

Regardless of your weak excuses, the fact remains that whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”

If you want proof, just continue in disbelief and you will have your answer when you die, or do you have to be convinced of death too? And speaking of why people die, who said that "In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die?" Unfortunately, it will cost you eternal life to find out. Because once you die in your sins, the offer of salvation is off the table, with your record being sealed. Once a person dies, God's love, grace and mercy is no longer in operation for the individual who dies without faith. You'll have your proof, but will not inherit eternal life. I hope that this will not be the case, that at some point you will believe.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

Hmm fluctuating rad decay, wonder how fast or slow it is on other planets, seems that chemistry isn’t really all that reliable.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-sun-is-changing-the-rate-of-radioactive-decay-and-5619954

Did you even read the article or just the title ?
Because it is more to do with physics then chemistry, but apart from that this might just explain what happened with the "missing" 2.5k million years discussed here and that's one of the many reasons why I love science: When data doesn't fit your hypothesis, it's not discouraging, it's exciting!

What is up the concept of light year what is the word year based off, if I’m on Venus is it still a light year or a light days

Its an astronomical unit of length, which measures about 9.5 trillion kilometres, light-year is the product of the Julian year 365.25 days and the speed of light (299792458 m/s). This Unit is used quite often by non-specialist and popular science publications. The unit used in professional astronomy community is Parsec.

If people did live on Venus and people from Earth could call them how in the world would they talk about what their doing tomorrow or what they did yesterday, both concepts of what a tomorrow or yesterday is would be way off.

They would use a unified time scale. Please stop asking questions you can easily find answers to online.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

I would also add to Dino's post in that, you can't see gravity, but it's there.

Since scripture states that there is nothing in all creation that is hidden from Him. And that all things are laid bare and open before Him and that even the very hairs of our head are all numbered, then we should know that God is well aware of who we are and what we're doing.

Regarding proof, did you ever compare the Messianic prophecies written in the prophets and Psalms and then compare them to their fulfillment by Jesus?

I can't see Gravity, but I can see it's effects and I can make predictions with it. This is where God and gravity differ big time. notice one has observable effects on the natural world, while the other is just implied. Also scientist where able to observe gravitational waves which the right instrumentation. God was observed 0 times under in a scientific setting. At no point ever, there was a "God anomaly" that changed the expected results of an experiment. (this is from everything that I have seen so far, still open to evidence for God if there is such thing)

-Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

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Do you care if you continue knowing the love you have with your family for more than the average life span of humans 79 yrs or is that enough for you.

What is your point ?
I noticed one thing about dishonest people or people who pretend to know more then they do: They always avoid answering the questions directly... Are you one of these people ?

 

[WhyNotAsk]

wrath of God will be coming upon this earth specifically for that reason, in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments .

You got any proof for any of this ?
Because claiming authority from the bible when you are using your own feeble mind to interpret it is same as just saying "because, I think so"

-Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

 

[Dino246]

I can't see Gravity, but I can see it's effects and I can make predictions with it. This is where God and gravity differ big time. notice one has observable effects on the natural world, while the other is just implied. Also scientist where able to observe gravitational waves which the right instrumentation. God was observed 0 times under in a scientific setting. At no point ever, there was a "God anomaly" that changed the expected results of an experiment. (this is from everything that I have seen so far, still open to evidence for God if there is such thing)

-Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

As I have stated previously, and you seemed to have ignored, God doesn't subject Himself to the scientific investigations of men. Observational science simply is not the right tool set to investigate non-physical reality.

 

[Ghoti2]

I was raised NOT to believe in miraculous healing.... Until it happened to me, then to my wife, and even to our dog. It was more confirmed when both my wife and I have been used to bring healing (yes, real and physical) to the lives of others.
Before that, I too laughed and scoffed at it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You got any proof for any of this ?
Because claiming authority from the bible when you are using your own feeble mind to interpret it is same as just saying "because, I think so"

-Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

First of all, this information is not by my own interpretation, but comes from years of study in God's word, with the guidance and confirmation of the Spirit. It always amazes me that if someone proclaims something from the word of God that is not in line with what the other believes, then they claim that is by their own interpretation or in this case, my own feeble mind." This comes from people who haven't put in as much study and/or have been swayed by the books written by false teachers.

However, yes, I have plenty of proof that the wrath of God must come upon the earth leading up to the Lord's return, from both old and new testaments. The majority of the book of Revelation is nothing but God's wrath and related information. This time of wrath is also known as "the Day of the Lord" and as "the hour of trial." During that time God's wrath with will come via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues which the two witnesses will cause.

Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Once the church is completed, the Lord will descend and will fulfill His promise given in John 14:1-3 and 1 Thess.4:13-18, where the dead and the living in Christ will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, where at which point He will take the entire church, His bride, back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, so that were He is we may be also. Following that, the antichrist will make his seven year agreement in part with Israel, which will allow them to build their temple and begin sacrificing. It is during this seven years that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be poured out, as well as the establishing of the beasts kingdom during that last 3 1/2 years.

Anyone who is not ready and watching for Christ, will remain here on the earth exposed to all that is going to take place. There are only two places in Revelation which give a percentage of fatalities, one being the culmination of the first four seals which will equal a fourth of the immediate population and the 6th trumpet which will result in a third of the earths population killed. Combined, that would be well over half the earths population within the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And that is not including the fatalities which will result from trumpets 1,2 and 3, nor the fatalities from the seven bowl judgments. By the time the Lord returns to the earth the majority of the earths population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled. This is support by what Jesus said regarding that time period:

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Isaiah 13:9
"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short."

Regarding this time of wrath, we also have the prophecy of Isaiah and Zephaniah:

"Look, the Day of the LORD is coming—cruel, with fury and burning anger—to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light. The sun will be darkened when it rises, and the moon will not give its light.

I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity. I will end the haughtiness of the arrogant and humiliate the pride of tyrants.

I will make man scarcer than pure gold, and mankind rarer than the gold of Ophir.

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Zeph.1:14-18
The great Day of the LORD is near—near and coming quickly.

Listen, the Day of the LORD! Then the cry of the mighty will be bitter. That day will be a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of destruction and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness, a day of horn blast and battle cry against the fortified cities, and against the high corner towers.

I will bring such distress on mankind that they will walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the LORD. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their flesh like dung. Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them on the Day of the LORD’s wrath.

The whole earth will be consumed by the fire of His jealousy. For indeed, He will make a sudden end of all who dwell on the earth.


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During that time, the wrath of God is going to be poured out upon all who have rejected the Son of God, the proud, the arrogant, all who continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature.

So what is it about all that you don't believe?

 

[oldethennew]

of course there are myriads of the 'dark-magic' workings going-on within our fallen-world -
some ignore -some know- some participate - some deceive - some deny - some are called,
and some willing love to do the 'dark one's bidding -
some are 'hooked', willingly or deceived, some are just born to be sacrificed or ordained to
find and willingly deceive and deliver ones to the ones that they are bound to serve
for their sacrificial ceremonies -

but alas, 'Yeshua' will have 'His Will be done', and, as the dark ones know, He will always prevail and destroy
their ugly and horrific, destructive, un-human ways, in the end, for His Glory will eventually prevail...

 

[Mii]

but alas, 'Yeshua' will have 'His Will be done', and, as the dark ones know, He will always prevail and destroy
their ugly and horrific, destructive, un-human ways, in the end, for His Glory will eventually prevail...

This is a rather dark post.

It would be appreciated if you could explain (preferably by PM) why you thought it was appropriate to open up occult doctrine when this person has already stated that they had a similar "stepping off point" with the enemy (to their conscious knowledge) as they also did with the Lord when they fasted in such a way that was in opposition to his will (as can be seen from the post I made, at least enough to consider that there is more seeking to be done in that area).

I believe firmly according to my understanding of scripture that we are to remain ignorant of evil and avoid the appearance thereof. As well as a further accountability to not cause little ones to stumble. This is a public forum after all and anyone can read it...



I am curious as to your placement of "but alas" and then what will occur. Seems as though it could be easily misconstrued.

 

[Ghoti2]

of course there are myriads of the 'dark-magic' workings going-on within our fallen-world -
some ignore -some know- some participate - some deceive - some deny - some are called,
and some willing love to do the 'dark one's bidding -
some are 'hooked', willingly or deceived, some are just born to be sacrificed or ordained to
find and willingly deceive and deliver ones to the ones that they are bound to serve
for their sacrificial ceremonies -

but alas, 'Yeshua' will have 'His Will be done', and, as the dark ones know, He will always prevail and destroy
their ugly and horrific, destructive, un-human ways, in the end, for His Glory will eventually prevail...

I just checked the list of people I was warned about on this forum. (Warned by a woman who has been here for years.) Guess who is first on that list? LOL

 

[Mii]

I just checked the list of people I was warned about on this forum. (Warned by a woman who has been here for years.) Guess who is first on that list? LOL

Yeah I'm not sure...Shared accounts can be quite hard to gauge. It is most certainly given to some to "know" certain things and I do wonder what private things would have been said if people in scripture were not "pre-technology". I know that some are in "not very nice places" in war and different things occur than in sunny meadows. I personally feel patience is one of the most critical aspect of love to be learned at this time. That is all

 

[PennEd]

I can't see Gravity, but I can see it's effects and I can make predictions with it. This is where God and gravity differ big time. notice one has observable effects on the natural world, while the other is just implied. Also scientist where able to observe gravitational waves which the right instrumentation. God was observed 0 times under in a scientific setting. At no point ever, there was a "God anomaly" that changed the expected results of an experiment. (this is from everything that I have seen so far, still open to evidence for God if there is such thing)

-Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

What are you talking about?

I already TOLD you God was observed by over 500 people to have risen from the grave. How is that not observable proof?

 

[JesusLives]

I don't know about you, but I can't relate to creating a universe in any amount of time at will...

I am with you on this one and I think it's because neither of us are God and don't know how to do it and hard for us to understand it. I am sure you have read the verse God's ways are higher than ours and He thinks differently than we do.... So no wonder we don't understand or have the know how. After all we are created and He is the creator.

 

[JesusLives]

Whether you believe in God or not just know that He loves you and that He will pursue you because He is a God of love. Atheists usually bring up the OT at this time and toss out all the commanded killings God has made against pagan people. Or the Christians will throw up the big guns and say to the Atheist if you don't change you will burn...

I don't think either side had a good argument as both are throwing out fear to the other side.

I believe that God is a God of LOVE and anything He does toward us is to help us find our way back to Him for protection and safety. He gave His Son to die for us to bring us back into a relationship with Him what more could He have done for us?

Each person has to make a choice as God gave us a free will to choose.

Bible says it best:

Joshua 24:14-15 English Standard Version (ESV)
Choose Whom You Will Serve
14 “Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. 15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

So in your case it is who do you choose? The God of science or the Creator God? Simple

No matter what you choose God will still love and pursue you until the day you die.

 

[JamOn]

What is your point ?
I noticed one thing about dishonest people or people who pretend to know more then they do: They always avoid answering the questions directly... Are you one of these people ?

Hmm how did dishonest come into the conversation, you know what I meant, u shot from the hip on that one later dude.

 

[oldethennew]

JL,
how we Love your precious Spirit, - this is where your PEACE ALWAYS COMES FROM,
and gives you The Word to 'comfort others', whether they can receive or not -
you are a very loving servant, and hub and I so very much appreciate your loving gifts...

 

[brighthouse98]

These people all practice a long the same principle,they look to deceive you.( Eph 4:27) They promote deception,and then lie about it!( Gal 6:7-8,1 Peter 2:1, Peter 2:22, 1 Peter 3:10 If you truly wish to see, why not ask, demonic activity that will leave no doubt in your mind check out the scared Riana, on u-tube.She is guided by a spirit named harpy. Do not ask me why either!! LOL I do not know. But check it out! Many would call this the black arts,there is no art to it!

 

[Mii]

I am surprised you would recommend such a thing on this site @brighthouse98


Yes, spiritual "porn" exists. Why would you tell someone where to look for it specifically? I would not consider this loving... The Lord will open our eyes to lies and deceptions in HIS timing. It's not for us to seek out on our own. This is a dangerous suggestion.

We must guard against the error of Balaam. Believers can fall into this, it is mentioned to the church at Pergamum.


We can easily talk about it in a vague way (with a filter). Scripture was NOT clear on certain things and I think we would do well to follow that example.


Consider that yes, a fortune telling spirit was mentioned in the NT. They "know" truth (and tremble) ...damnation is a very real thing. We are not to even "view" their methodology. I believe our commission is not to satisfy anyone's curiosity in this manner.


If you'd like a litany of examples on why I could provide them. It may be beneficial for both of us...