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[JamOn]

Catch up whynotask to Isaiah 40:22 spreads the stars out like a tent to dwell in.

40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

pretty obvious He is not waiting on humans to get there act together and venture a highway galaxy or solar system let alone setting up camp on mars.

 

[JamOn]

Yet here you are claiming this planet is somehow special and it even has a creator that specially looks after it and the people up on it. If there was a creator
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Right O prodigal Son, For God is always working creating new stars nebulae supernovae seeds that seed planets.

 

[JamOn]

People don’t create math they discover it learn the formula, science has been around a lot longer than humans for if the math formula is correct than someone designed suns with these math equations formulas that are correct nature doesn’t just create correct math equations by chance or by any other method.

A 5 solar mass star has only five times more hydrogen fuel than the Sun,
but (the star's luminosity)/(the Sun's luminosity) = (5/1)4 = 625!
Its lifetime = 1/(5/1)(4-1) × 1010 years = (1/125) × 1010 years = 8.0 × 107 years.

I prefer stellar math creations

https://www.astronomynotes.com/evolutn/s2.htm

I’ve always found that bazaar about scientist believe in there math equations of nature yet somehow nature did that all by itself created correct math.

 

[JamOn]

Nature somehow became a nuclear scientist all on its own.

 

[PennEd]

I guess some people are more gullible then others.

I'll say.

Although I wouldn't call it gullible. I would call it suppressing the Truth because one loves their sin and hates the FACT they will be held accountable to God for that sin.

Imagine the stupidity, and hatred of God to believe EVERYTHING came from NOTHING. The NOTHING exploded, Stuck together, and wallah! Dinosaurs! You got MORE faith than me believing that garbage pal!

 

[JamOn]

How did nature just happen to place a extra neutron in deuterium

 

[WhyNotAsk]

I'll say.

Although I wouldn't call it gullible. I would call it suppressing the Truth because one loves their sin and hates the FACT they will be held accountable to God for that sin.

Imagine the stupidity, and hatred of God to believe EVERYTHING came from NOTHING. The NOTHING exploded, Stuck together, and wallah! Dinosaurs! You got MORE faith than me believing that garbage pal!

Ignoring the fact that you have the big bang describe big bang totally wrong with many misconceptions. What makes an Invisible cosmic man hypothesis more lightly. "Imagine the stupidity, and hatred of science to believe GOD from NOTHING. Then God CREATED everything, Stuck it together, and wallah! Dinosaurs! You got MORE faith than me believing that garbage pal.." I could say the same because you provide ZERO evidence to support your claim. I don't believe in GOD not because I am stupid, suppress the truth in unrighteousness or hate the idea of being accountable, but because I have no evidence to lean towards belief. If I don't have evidence that there is a tea pot orbiting mars, I won't dismiss it, but I won't believe it either. If I had to put a percentage on Gods existance with the information I have so far from the Bible and talking with other Christians it be somewhere between 1-8%.

 

[oldethennew]

your perplexity is very understandable, and there are many of us here
who have been where you are now and we are very able to relate to you -
our Creator simply has you on a certain level of 'hold' for now, in order for
you to process 'what you have been told' and are so curious about in your questioning...
all the while, many Spiritual things are opening up in your daily-life -
but we must say, you do have great potential, for you are expressing your ignorance/un-knowing,
right along-side the Blessings that you already have already received...

 

[WhyNotAsk]

your perplexity is very understandable, and there are many of us here
who have been where you are now and we are very able to relate to you -
our Creator simply has you on a certain level of 'hold' for now, in order for
you to process 'what you have been told' and are so curious about in your questioning...
all the while, many Spiritual things are opening up in your daily-life -
but we must say, you do have great potential, for you are expressing your ignorance/un-knowing,
right along-side the Blessings that you already have already received...

Well, thanks I think, It's always nice to hear what the creator is doing and planning for me. I heard another guy say that I apparently am suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and am refusing to hear God and see who He is. No matter how many times I tell them I simply have no proof for their God that's the reason he is not my God.

I don't know how so many Christians take speaking on Gods behalf lightly, they just say things and claim it was from God. God knows this, God wants you to do this, He thinks that or the other. I just don't buy it, considering a lot of the time its all conflicting with what the previous person might have said, which was a word from God or so they claimed.

As you can see this thread is about supernatural and proof for it, this includes talking to angels, demons, God/Gods, spirits, the dead, supernatural healing of external deformities, say loss of an arm, leg, or finger. Fortune telling and prophecy... all these things have never been proven to be real, so why is the bible full of them. IF THEY ARE NOT REAL we definitely have a reason to doubt the validity of the bible. If people found the Quran 1000 years in the future after the religion has disappeared do you think it would be reasonable to assume that all the things that are written in it where actual history to a T.

Anyways these are my objections, feel free to share your thoughts

 

[WhyNotAsk]

How did nature just happen to place a extra neutron in deuterium

I don't get your point, if you are referring to how does fusion happen in nature the answer would be simple, Heat causes things to expand and gravity pushes things together if you are dealing with an object the size of the sun you would quite often have atoms fuse together.

• Small stars: The smallest stars only convert hydrogen into helium.
• Medium-sized stars (like our Sun): Late in their lives, when the hydrogen becomes depleted, stars like our Sun can convert helium into oxygen and carbon.
• Massive stars (greater than five times the mass of the Sun): When their hydrogen becomes depleted, high mass stars convert helium atoms into carbon and oxygen, followed by the fusion of carbon and oxygen into neon, sodium, magnesium, sulfur and silicon. Later reactions transform these elements into calcium, iron, nickel, chromium, copper and others. When these old, large stars with depleted cores supernova, they create heavy elements (all the natural elements heavier than iron) and spew them into space, forming the basis for life. - when I say life I refer to the the Scientific definition: any self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.

"I’ve always found that bazaar about scientist believe in there math equations of nature yet somehow nature did that all by itself created correct math. " Yes, its very strange that you think nature made "correct math", I don't think you realise how young the field of mathematics actually is and if you look through history you can see many instances where new things where invented to calculate certain things... Math is created by man, just as we created language, morality and logic. This doesn't make them any less objective when dealing with other people on a daily basis, but you can see all of them evolve over time. Just because the rules of the road are made up you don't assume they are false or relative, why assume the same when it comes to other things like the list above... strange again.

you made quite a few errors here and what were you trying to say?
Corrections:
A 5 solar mass star has only five times more hydrogen fuel than the Sun,
but (the star's luminosity)/(the Sun's luminosity) = (5/1)^4 = 20 not 625!
Its lifetime = 1/(5/1)^(4-1) × 10^10 years = (1/125) × 10^10 years = 8.0 × 10^7 years.

 

[oldethennew]

Well, thanks I think, It's always nice to hear what the creator is doing and planning for me. I heard another guy say that I apparently am suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and am refusing to hear God and see who He is. No matter how many times I tell them I simply have no proof for their God that's the reason he is not my God.

I don't know how so many Christians take speaking on Gods behalf lightly, they just say things and claim it was from God. God knows this, God wants you to do this, He thinks that or the other. I just don't buy it, considering a lot of the time its all conflicting with what the previous person might have said, which was a word from God or so they claimed.

As you can see this thread is about supernatural and proof for it, this includes talking to angels, demons, God/Gods, spirits, the dead, supernatural healing of external deformities, say loss of an arm, leg, or finger. Fortune telling and prophecy... all these things have never been proven to be real, so why is the bible full of them. IF THEY ARE NOT REAL we definitely have a reason to doubt the validity of the bible. If people found the Quran 1000 years in the future after the religion has disappeared do you think it would be reasonable to assume that all the things that are written in it where actual history to a T.

Anyways these are my objections, feel free to share your thoughts

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I really identified when you put in the post, 'I heard another guy say..........' - once again, most of us definitely identify with you on this, even many of us who have had 'false-conversions', but are only later on in our lives brought to the realization that they truly 'were 'false'!!! and then are, only by a miracle, Graciously blessed with our Heavenly Father's Love falling upon us,
and allowing us to experience His wonderious, Holy, Spiritual ways, in one form or another...none of us can 'give' these experiences to you, but only share with some words', but not the actually events that broke us and gave us a humble and contrite Spirit, changed for ever by the Holy Grace of God...these things are for those whom He elects/calls, the chosen for His own purpose - we don't question His motives -
we only obey, serve, submit, adore Him, and most of all, we wait for His next Loving instructions that will draw us even closer to Him
and teach us how to Love Him even more that we already do...this new-life is often beyond explaining to those who have not yet
partaken of His calling...

why don't you just sit back and relax and try and 'take-in' what Yeshua is saying to you through those who
obviously Love you and care about you and have taken their own precious time to try their very best to
'to share the Love He has given them with you'???

 

[JamOn]

I don't get your point, if you are referring to how does fusion happen in nature the answer would be simple, Heat causes things to expand and gravity pushes things together if you are dealing with an object the size of the sun you would quite often have atoms fuse together.

• Small stars: The smallest stars only convert hydrogen into helium.
• Medium-sized stars (like our Sun): Late in their lives, when the hydrogen becomes depleted, stars like our Sun can convert helium into oxygen and carbon.
• Massive stars (greater than five times the mass of the Sun): When their hydrogen becomes depleted, high mass stars convert helium atoms into carbon and oxygen, followed by the fusion of carbon and oxygen into neon, sodium, magnesium, sulfur and silicon. Later reactions transform these elements into calcium, iron, nickel, chromium, copper and others. When these old, large stars with depleted cores supernova, they create heavy elements (all the natural elements heavier than iron) and spew them into space, forming the basis for life. - when I say life I refer to the the Scientific definition: any self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.

"I’ve always found that bazaar about scientist believe in there math equations of nature yet somehow nature did that all by itself created correct math. " Yes, its very strange that you think nature made "correct math", I don't think you realise how young the field of mathematics actually is and if you look through history you can see many instances where new things where invented to calculate certain things... Math is created by man, just as we created language, morality and logic. This doesn't make them any less objective when dealing with other people on a daily basis, but you can see all of them evolve over time. Just because the rules of the road are made up you don't assume they are false or relative, why assume the same when it comes to other things like the list above... strange again.

you made quite a few errors here and what were you trying to say?
Corrections:
A 5 solar mass star has only five times more hydrogen fuel than the Sun,
but (the star's luminosity)/(the Sun's luminosity) = (5/1)^4 = 20 not 625!
Its lifetime = 1/(5/1)^(4-1) × 10^10 years = (1/125) × 10^10 years = 8.0 × 10^7 years.

Point is nature doesn’t complete working math equations like what happens in sun without thought it’s that simple. you think there’s no math going on in sun.

I didn’t make a error well I guess I did I just copy n paste it though that is why left the link smarty, maybe i was alittle lazy on, but yea that ol saying devils into details.

No language, morality and logic wasn’t created by humans, if you think there’s other life out there they probably would laugh at you for saying that.

 

[JamOn]

I don't know how so many Christians take speaking on Gods behalf lightly, they just say things and claim it was from God.

Hmm I knew it was there, it’s buried deep though

 

[Dino246]

Well... WhyNotAsk has been banned. The surprise I feel is remarkably underwhelming.

 

[posthuman]

I’ve always found that bazaar about scientist believe in there math equations of nature yet somehow nature did that all by itself created correct math.

i don't believe that;
the fact that nature ubiquitously obeys discernible laws that can be expressed in the language of mathematics is overwhelming evidence that the universe is a created thing - and the fact that math exists is profound evidence that whoever created all that is, is wise beyond all human imagination.

God is great - that's what the math says.
who are these scientists you talk to?

 

[posthuman]

God is great - that's what the math says.
who are these scientists you talk to?

oh, this guy.

Math is created by man, just as we created language, morality and logic.

pity i missed him.

man doesn't create math; he discovers it. one trivial proof of this is the existence of transcendental numbers: we obviously didn't 'imagine' the number pi or e for example, or we would be able to express it.
geometry is another. no one 'created' the idea of a circle, nor did anyone 'decide' that it's area should be related to the square of its radius by the same proportion no matter what size it is, nor did mankind 'create' the 3d space that mankind found himself existing in. he came to life and discovered these things by observing them and considering what he observed.

 

[JamOn]

i don't believe that;
the fact that nature ubiquitously obeys discernible laws that can be expressed in the language of mathematics is overwhelming evidence that the universe is a created thing - and the fact that math exists is profound evidence that whoever created all that is, is wise beyond all human imagination.

God is great - that's what the math says.
who are these scientists you talk to?

what is it you don’t believe that there are highly educated mathematicians that don’t believe in God or some that do?

Steven hawking was one who didn’t believe in a God

 

[Mii]

Well... WhyNotAsk has been banned. The surprise I feel is remarkably underwhelming.

I'm somewhat surprised at the ban. Mildly...I think that this type of discussion is fine but "toned down" a bit. The thread title was something of an issue...you can't prove the Lord by proving the enemy. Well, you can...but it will only provide a slight resting place. He has his own ideas of who the Lord is and you can't shine the light on certain lies on your own. If anyone goes that route...they will be hopelessly deceived unless they turn to the Lord (Yeshua) and he "truths" them away


This thread did cause me a bit of consternation...and some irritation with the above logic. It took until this point to resolve my own position and while it may be late...I do thank the Lord for illuminating it.



btw @JamOn it's spelled "bizarre". A bazaar is a market of sorts. Said the same way though...just mentioning that not as an insult but some people can't look past spelling in regards to intelligent discussion, and while I think anyone should recognize that syntax and spelling do not intelligence make...just throwing it out there.

 

[JamOn]

I'm somewhat surprised at the ban. Mildly...I think that this type of discussion is fine but "toned down" a bit. The thread title was something of an issue...you can't prove the Lord by proving the enemy. Well, you can...but it will only provide a slight resting place. He has his own ideas of who the Lord is and you can't shine the light on certain lies on your own. If anyone goes that route...they will be hopelessly deceived unless they turn to the Lord (Yeshua) and he "truths" them away


This thread did cause me a bit of consternation...and some irritation with the above logic. It took until this point to resolve my own position and while it may be late...I do thank the Lord for illuminating it.



btw @JamOn it's spelled "bizarre". A bazaar is a market of sorts. Said the same way though...just mentioning that not as an insult but some people can't look past spelling in regards to intelligent discussion, and while I think anyone should recognize that syntax and spelling do not intelligence make...just throwing it out there.

It’s quite ok and thank you for the information, indeed a bazaar can be bizarre if items in the bazaar are vastly different lol..

 

[Mii]

It’s quite ok and thank you for the information, indeed a bazaar can be bizarre if items in the bazaar are vastly different lol..

When a ripley's believe it or not has an auction it would indeed be a bizarre bazaar

Unless of course they were selling a Romanov oddity, then its origin would..... be Tzar.