How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

posthuman · Nov 1, 2016

i'll do the math for you -- assuming that if you could do this math, you would never present such an argument in the first place.

a typical train rail is 39ft long.

half of that = 19.5 ft

the earth's radius on average is 3,959 mi = 20,903,520 ft ((at sea level -- this number is bigger at any elevation above))

so the angle between each track joined end-to end on level ground is less than:

sin(19.5 / 20,903,520) = 0.000000016 degrees

this is how much you're suggesting railroad engineers 'take into account' when they lay track.

this geometry is using a triangle instead of a pie-slice, so the track would be shorter than the actual curved surface. the arc that subtends this angle should be s = r*theta = 0.000063 feet
that's about 2 hundredths of a millimeter.

that's how far off the length of a 39 ft length of rail would be from the distance it's supposed to cover on the globe -- but guess how that compares to manufacturing discrepancy in the actual length of the rail, and how that compares to the gap built into the track for thermal expansion?

one word, very common in engineering: negligible

Karraster · Nov 1, 2016

posthuman said:

Is sarcasm your answer for difficult questions?

According to Pathorigam theory, and as approved by NASA, a 118 mile track would have to curve downward over 9000 feet. Even if one used the excuse that some areas are flat where other areas are so curved that makes up the difference, 9000 feet! It ain't called the flattest tracks in the world for nothing. It's not a ball. Where's the curve?

Just 500 years ago people who thought we lived on a spinning ball going 1000 mph rotating round the sun were the nut jobs. Now if one believes what the Bible says about creation, age of earth/mankind, and our central motionless home, we're the nutjobs. So be it. YHVH is true, His word is true, men lie.

9000 feet people. Wake up. Do some research. Find out how ungodly these men were who proposed such nonsence, and how they tricked us into believing it. Truth matters. Our Creator's words matter. Look at what the scriptures say about all liers, and I'm talking New Testiment. Where do we place our faith, in Almighty, or in men? Who are we to believe?

Karraster · Nov 1, 2016

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GaryA · Nov 2, 2016

Posted said:

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Enjoy!

PeterJens · Nov 2, 2016

GaryA said:

The problem with the above theory about the sun getting smaller as it reaches the horizon
is it is unbelievably bright and causes flare and distortion when looked at through the atmosphere.
As it goes to the horizon from the viewer, it gets filtered through more and more atmosphere and
dims, reducing the flare effect so you see the action disk of the sun itself.

You can see this effect by taking a picture of head lights at night, and reducing the sensitivity.
As the sensitivity reduces, so does the size of the headlights.

Geometry. A close sun as a ball of light, would send light over the whole flat earth all the time,
there would be no dawn or dusk. Half the world is in light every hour of the day.
But that means the rest of the earth is only the same distance again from the sun.
For this to work there would need to be a curtain of darkness that hid the sun over 6000 miles
away.

But a spherical earth with a vast sun far away does not need this effect.

posthuman · Nov 2, 2016

Karraster said:

it's not a difficult question; i'm answering it -
- and it wasn't sarcasm -- in order to determine if 118 miles of railway are actually curved, you in fact need a single, perfectly straight measuring device that is 118 miles long.

Karraster said:

you're thinking about it as if it is all one solid, 118mi long rail. it's not.

118 miles would be covered by around 16,000 separate pieces of track, each one of them locally level.

"level" is measured in two ways - by two straight objects being measured as parallel to each other, and by a device with bit of fluid and a bubble trapped inside.

builders use a bubble level because it's more accurate. even in the case of surveying, two sticks are basically set at a distance, and a scope on one is leveled with a bubble-level and pointed at the other to determine whether the land is flat.
two things about this:
(1) it's done over distances that are very short compared to the circumference of the earth, so that curvature of the surface over that distance actually measured is thousandths or ten thousandths of a degree, far too small for the measuring devices to pick up on, and far too small for the engineering project to worry about.
(2) bubble levels work by gravity -- and gravity is always pointing toward the center of the earth's mass. "down" is always "down" no matter where you are -- Tintin in Australia doesn't feel like he's standing on his head all the time. so bubble-levels, the basic measuring device used to determine level, still call the earth's surface "level" on the relatively small scales that we build over.

next the conspirators will point you at roadways and bridges that span long distances. these are also built in sections that are all locally level, and like the math i showed you a few posts ago, the angular deviation between any two pieces is below the threshold of measurement.
i.e. the curvature of the earth does not matter at the scale that humans build things.

you don't need to have a curved desk to keep your laptop from sliding off of it, because you don't have a desk the size of Texas and a laptop the size of Nebraska.

posthuman · Nov 2, 2016

let's do math.

posthuman · Nov 2, 2016

does this look like it's 32° above the horizon?

and that picture was taken hours before midnight.

what gives?

"perspective" explaining sunsets on a flat earth is a demonstrably stupid argument.

BeyondET · Nov 2, 2016

GaryA said:

Quite humorous video from the ISS showing THE sphere earth...

Karraster · Nov 3, 2016

PeterJens said:

The problem is trying to prove God using "science". We all will be judged, what we believe(have faith in) by the words we speak..romans 3:3,4

Once you truly believe God's Word is true, whether you understand or not, just have faith and ask Him to show you. Ask for the love of the truth..it is amazing...He will show you. Scripture says the earth is fixed, the sun and moon move across the sky..that's what the Bible says.

All the "great men of "science" Copernicus, Einstien, later Darwin to put the frosting on top, who put forth these theories? Research that. And we were all taught these theories in school as fact, but not the real creation story, oh nooooo. All we need now is an alien invasion for the cherry on top, but that's just a guess.

Believe NASA? An honest look at NASA will not take long to unravel their lies. Here's a start..there are NASA "official' spokesmen stating they have to solve the radiation belt problem before sending men to "space".Check out the equipment they had in the 60s compared to now, but they did it then but can't now? Houston...we have a problem. The camera alone! Check out the camera they say they used on the moon when they say they went there. Not possible. Not even close to possible.

Neal Degrasse Tyson..or whatever, says the earth is pear shaped. yeah, he's a NAsa guy. but wait! Don't all the cgi pictures/paintings of earth look perfectly round? oops. Wow, they lie straight to our face and we don't see it? Blind. We have all been blinded by the god of this world. Time to wake up.

posthuman · Nov 4, 2016

Karraster said:

yes. about 0.3% bigger at the equator.

26 whopping big miles compared to almost 8,000

here is a perfect circle next to one bulged at the equator as much as the earth is. see if you can spot the difference:

PeterJens · Nov 4, 2016

Karraster said:

I have friends who worked with ESA, European Space Agency, on the software running the rockets and
satallites. You can see ISS, International Space Station, and track where it is.
At night you can go out and see it pass overhead

http://www.isstracker.com/

Now there is proof of a theory, the space station is orbitting a circular earth, and will be
over head at a particular time, go out and see it.

This is how science works. You create a hypothesis and then work out an experiment that
is repeatable, and look at the evidence. If this confirms the hypothesis it is true.

Farmers get accurate surveys of their fields from satellites that orbit the earth to check on
rainfall and nutrients. It 100% matters that this information is correct and accurate. It is.

Storm systems can be seen from space, matching what is seen from space with what is
occuring on the ground. A 100% match.

So science proves the earth is round etc.

The bible is a relationship book, not a book of science. Science is about facts that can be
acted on, and the bible likewise, but in relation to God. Now how the two complement each
other is the discussion.

A bigger question, is why with all this sophistication of technology, of conquering the world,
did man have to discover this through his own civilisation?

EarnestQ · Nov 4, 2016

Karraster said:

Your unspoken assumption here is that you are infallible in your Biblical understanding. You assume that because the Bible says "the sun sets", it can only mean that it is the sun that is moving and not the earth rotating.

You insist that God must always speak in precise literal terms and that He would never use normal human speech to communicate normal human ideas to normal human people.

It seems to me that you are so "holy and self-righteous" that not even God can talk with you.

You speak of the love of truth yet little of what you speak is true. You are proclaiming demonic deceptions, whether you believe it or not.

Please turn to Jesus, God's one and only human born Son, ask Him to come into your life and help you be dedicated to the truth in every part of your life. (I did this 43 years ago. I flatter myself to think I have learned something about the truth since then.) Growing in love for Jesus is the only place to start in order to day-by-day conform your life to the truth of God and the God of truth.

One of the characteristics of someone who loves the truth is that they are humble enough to admit they are wrong and are always desiring to be shown where they are incorrect. You have none of this attitude. It is safe to say that you do not love the truth because you are not willing to sacrifice what you believe on God's altar of truth.

To know the truth you have to want to know the truth more than want what you know to be the truth. Few people have this much courage.

If you truly love truth, ask Jesus for the truth of these things.

John 4 says God is seeking those who will worship Him in spirit and truth. I am dubious about how much a person can worship God in truth with his life when he is refusing to submit to God's truth in his life.

Our worship does not come from arguing about what we think we know about the Bible. Our worship comes from seeking to integrate God's love, truth, and wisdom into our lives by sacrificing our willful self-deception on the altar of Christ's truth.

So, once again, seek Christ's truth with every part of your life. To the extent that you refuse, or deceive yourself, you are promoting the work of the enemy in this life, and in your life.

Karraster · Nov 4, 2016

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Karraster · Nov 4, 2016

Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Karraster · Nov 4, 2016

I confided in a friend today that after researching the Helio model and searched the scriptures as well, can only believe what the Bible says and not man. To my surprise she said she knew it! I asked her how long had she known and she said she'd always, even as a child, had trouble believing we are spinning at 1000mph +...as an adult she has been studying scripture for over 50 years....then I asked her why didn't she talk about it or tell me at least. She said because people act as if you've lost your marbles and say nasty things and such...and people have to come to realize it in their own way.

Now I wonder how many people I know who know the truth about this also. I wonder what else I've been decieved about. Most of my life I've been taught in Church the commandments are done away with. That was a lie, heaven and earth is still here, yet I believed man over Almighty. satan is very cunning/ have you ever wondered how he tricked the woman in the garden. Was she stupid? she was up close in person with our Creator, yet she fell for satan's lies. Are we so nieve as to think we are smarter than her, it can't happen to us? Pride, beware of that, it will get you in trouble. Pride in your own knowlege, in how well you can calculate.

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posthuman · Nov 5, 2016

PeterJens said:

this is a very interesting question!

many pagan beliefs included descriptions of the cosmos in some kind of detail, satisfying the curiosity of men, so far as they were unable to make their own investigations and observation. but our God, the true God, the only God, did not see fit to write down the exact nature of the elements and the blueprints of the universe for us.

as you say, Peter, that is not the point or purpose of His book. it is as though such things are inconsequential to the message prepared and left for us: which is a message of our relationship to Him and with Him.

why?

does this have to do with the nature He created us with, which is one of curiosity that lends itself to investigation? someone has said, 'the universe was made for man to wonder' -- and He certainly created us with a capacity for it -- also an object for our wonder to be directed toward, which speaks of His power and glory, His own person being to holy for us to look upon and live.

posthuman · Nov 5, 2016

Karraster said:

you may want to look into the religion of such people as Newton, Keppler, Oresme, Bacon, Galileo, Leibniz, Euler, etc.

the very foundation of science is derived from the Biblical mandate for mankind to exercise dominion over all the creatures fo the earth - a word that doesn't mean to simply 'dominate' all things, but to be a caretaker for them, and the philosophy behind the doing of science is that the universe is the created work of God, and that being so, it has been made orderly, logically and uniformly, following natural laws created also by a God of order and law, so that His fingerprints are all over it, and as Keppler said, the act of understanding this cosmos is to be "thinking God's thoughts after Him."

you must remember also that you are listening to freemason atheists and pagans when you watch these youtube videos and read these zetetic writings. their purpose is to decieve you with craftiness, not to enlighten you with truth.

you are speaking without knowledge.

did you consider the answers i gave to all your questions?
i'm showing you the truth.

posthuman · Nov 5, 2016

Karraster said:

"[It is my] loving duty to seek the truth in all things, in so far as God has granted that to human reason."

- Nicholas Copernicus

GaryA · Nov 5, 2016

Karraster said:

"Globe Earthers -- please explain how the Earth instantly / suddenly "put the brakes on" - and, "came to a complete halt" - without destroying anything or killing anyone -- and then - [ about ] a day later - instantly / suddenly resumed to 1000+ MPH spinning - without destroying anything or killing anyone..."

( And don't come back with any CRAP about this being "figurative" or some such thing. This actually happened as the Bible tells it. )

"Do you believe what the Bible says?"

If the Bible says that "the sun stopped in the middle of the sky", then that means one of two things:

1) the sun stopped in the middle of the sky

2) the earth "put the brakes on" and "came to a complete halt" instantly / suddenly - and subsequently resumed instantly / suddenly

Which is more likely to have occurred?

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