Did man land on the moon?

[surfer14]

the same thing i say.

lots of folks will listen to the truth, but when you start up with " the earth is flat". " the moon landing was fake" , " the space shuttle did not blow up", " Israel secretly runs all the world's economies ", all that non-sense, folks are done listening to you, and it discredits everything else you say.

Hahaha! I guess everyone's got their thing..
1. I lean against a flat earth.
2. I lean against the moon landings being real.
3. I think the shuttle blew up.
4. I don't think Israel runs the world, but I absolutely do think that a subset of jews wield massive anti-christian influence in government, finance

IMO the difference between flat earth and all the rest is that if the earth is flat, then it means that God himself is the conspirator (since it would be Him that arranged things such that we falsely see it as round). I just don't think that God would make the sun appear to rise in the morning and go down in the evening if the earth was flat. Why would he make light bend in such a way that the sun appears under the clouds? To fool us? To what end? Why would He make the stars to move in a circular pattern that would be easily explained by a rotating earth? Why would He do that if the earth was flat? It feels like a flat earth would imply deception on the part of God. I don't think He would do that. I could be wrong of course, but that's how I see flat earth as being fundamentally different than all other conspiracies. God is not the author of confusion.

 

[GaryA]

IMO the difference between flat earth and all the rest is that if the earth is flat, then it means that God himself is the conspirator (since it would be Him that arranged things such that we falsely see it as round). I just don't think that God would make the sun appear to rise in the morning and go down in the evening if the earth was flat. Why would he make light bend in such a way that the sun appears under the clouds? To fool us? To what end? Why would He make the stars to move in a circular pattern that would be easily explained by a rotating earth? Why would He do that if the earth was flat? It feels like a flat earth would imply deception on the part of God. I don't think He would do that. I could be wrong of course, but that's how I see flat earth as being fundamentally different than all other conspiracies. God is not the author of confusion.

God did not arrange anything so that you would see it as round --- you have been taught it since birth.

Your thinking is 'relative'.

God made it "as it is" - and, it is up to us to see it "as it is" - having faith in what He is telling us in His Word.

The concept and idea that the earth is a spinning ball flying through space at great speeds is where the confusion actually lies. And - Satan, the author of confusion, has told a whopper of a lie and has managed to convince everyone to believe it.

It is difficult to see when you have been "brainwashed" since birth and conditioned to "not see it"; it is difficult to see the truth when you have been so severely manipulated into believing a lie.

Scripture paints a very clear picture of an earth that does not move.

It is the devil who has done the fooling...

If you will have faith in what God says, and open your eyes to see "what is" - you will see it.

"Plain as day."

But, first you have to "unbrainwash" yourself. That takes faith, also.

 

[GaryA]

But, first you have to "unbrainwash" yourself. That takes faith, also.

And a whole-lotta pride-swallowing humility, too!

 

[GaryA]

you also think that the earth is flat ( haha).

you believe so many things that are totally true, then go off the rails with non-sense like this..

What will you say if one day you discover that it is not really "off the rails"...?

 

[surfer14]

But, first you have to "unbrainwash" yourself. That takes faith, also.

And a whole-lotta pride-swallowing humility, too!

I know EXACTLY what you mean!! I've gone through that so many times! I think if you homeschool your kids, you start to realize how much baggage you've been burdened with. You just start blabbing some nonsense to your kids...stuff that you've just grown up believing. And then your kid asks you some simple question like "Why?". And then you realize that you've always believed this stuff just because someone else told you. So you you tell your kid "I was just spouting a bunch of stuff that I just now realized I have no idea about. Let's investigate this together and see what's true." I did that soooooo many times! hahaha!!! For real. I think I unlearned/relearned like everything from homeschooling my kids.

But you're right, you only draw closer to the truth if you can put away your pride and admit you could be wrong. Admit you have been wrong and perhaps wasted a lot of time/money/life on a lie. Sometimes it's easier said than done.

So trust me, I would love, love, LOVE to be wrong about this flat earth thing. Just to see the so-called "experts" and "scientists" have to eat crow would be soooooo fun! But right now, my money is still on a round earth.

 

[kinda]

What will you say if one day you discover that it is not really "off the rails"...?

Hold the phone, you believe in a flat earth?!?!

This isn't crazy talk, this is beyond understanding.

God did not arrange anything so that you would see it as round --- you have been taught it since birth.

Your thinking is 'relative'.

God made it "as it is" - and, it is up to us to see it "as it is" - having faith in what He is telling us in His Word.

The concept and idea that the earth is a spinning ball flying through space at great speeds is where the confusion actually lies. And - Satan, the author of confusion, has told a whopper of a lie and has managed to convince everyone to believe it.

It is difficult to see when you have been "brainwashed" since birth and conditioned to "not see it"; it is difficult to see the truth when you have been so severely manipulated into believing a lie.

Scripture paints a very clear picture of an earth that does not move.

It is the devil who has done the fooling...

If you will have faith in what God says, and open your eyes to see "what is" - you will see it.

"Plain as day."

But, first you have to "unbrainwash" yourself. That takes faith, also.

O.k., you believe in a stationary earth?

I'll see your stationary earth, and raise the stakes to concave earth. lol

Last time I told someone this, they laughed in my face. I know it sounds crazy, but it makes more sense to me. This is more of a theory I believe, rather than a dogmatic belief.

I actually had my Isaac Newton experience, hear me out. So, I left the hot shower running by accident one day, and all the steam started collecting on the ceiling of the bathroom. It's started dripping down like rain when I remembered the shower was on. I figure this must be how the earth works. We live in an air tight, or at least semi-airtight earth, and the moisture collects on the ceiling of our skyline (some believe it's made of ice glass or something), than comes down like rain when their is to much moisture collection.

I believe the earth is stationary as well, sense their is no indication that the earth is moving. Try jumping North, South, West, or East. You will jump about the same distance in each direction. If the earth was moving or spinning, you would think, you would jump further when jumping against the spin or movement.

I would like to think God is in the center of universe, and when Jesus comes all eyes will see him, because the elements will be burned up, and there will be no more darkness in space (heaven).

Helmut Diehl

http://www.rolf-keppler.de/ebild2.htm

2nd Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Revelation 1:7

"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.


If you take these two scriptures, you can rationalize how a concave earth would work. Space will disappear, the planet will be laid bare, and all people will see Him. This can happen easily in concave (hollow) earth.

You will have to use your imagination a little to figure out, how someone on the opposite side of the planet, can see Jesus in a earth where everyone lives outside of sphere. With a concave (hollow) earth, every person can look up, and see the center of the universe.

 

[GaryA]

I would absolutely LOVE to be wrong about flat earth!

Well, you are - so - celebrate!

On a more serious note - one of the best ways to work towards seeing that come about is to actually try to prove to yourself - with complete and total honesty - that Ball Earth is actually true.

Because, it has never been done - not with a pure scientific method.

Only assumed. Never actually proven.

Taking someone else's word for it does not count.

"NASA said it so I believe it!"

That is not proving it to yourself by/with the scientific method; rather, that is having faith in the NASA bible.

Try actually proving to yourself that the earth is a spinning ball flying through space - without assuming anything that you were simply told or taught.

You will find it incredibly difficult.

And - if you don't - you are very likely not being honest with yourself - or - you are being lazy about putting a true effort into it yourself - so that you "settle" with taking someone else's word for it.

It would be such powerful evidence of God!

It is! And, you don't know the half of it yet!

If you think that the vast-universe concept of reality gives glory to God - just wait until you realize and understand the true nature of His creation...

God is BRILLIANT!!!

But when you're searching for truth, you can't let your emotion and desires cloud your understanding of facts.

Absolutely true. You have to look at everything very objectively - and also, with 'spiritual' eyes.

 

[GaryA]

If you take these two scriptures, you can rationalize how a concave earth would work. Space will disappear, the planet will be laid bare, and all people will see Him. This can happen easily in concave (hollow) earth.

It makes more sense if the earth is flat with heaven above.

 

[kinda]

It makes more sense if the earth is flat with heaven above.

I really hope your kidding!

How do you explain the oceans staying in place and flight across the earth? Do you have a map of the edges?

I think a simple experiment will collapse your belief system here.

 

[GaryA]

I really hope your kidding!

Nope.

How do you explain the oceans staying in place and flight across the earth? Do you have a map of the edges?

Ice wall.

flight? In your version, it is a shorter distance to the other side of the universe than someplace closer on the map...

I think a simple experiment will collapse your belief system here.

Nope.

 

[GaryA]

I really hope your kidding!

I really hope you are just "pulling my leg"...

 

[kinda]

I really hope you are just "pulling my leg"...

I'm still gonna pretend your kidding, even if your not, so let's play a game here.


Is this your map?

If so, if someone flew from South America heading South, to land in Australia, wouldn't your map mean someone flew off the earth, into space?

I really can't believe, flat earthers exist. I thought this was just a joke to make fun of moan hoax conspiracy theories.

 

[GaryA]

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Is this your map?

If so, if someone flew from South America heading South, to land in Australia, wouldn't your map mean someone flew off the earth, into space?

Australia is not south of South America.

North is at the center of the map. South is any direction towards the outer edge of the circle. The outer edge of the circle is not the edge of the earth - which is [far] beyond it.

The outer ring is the ice wall. It holds the oceans in place.

There is no 'space'. ("outer space")

There is a 'dome' above.

(Yes, we live in a very large terrarium.)

The 3rd heaven is above the dome.

 

[kinda]

Australia is not south of South America.

North is at the center of the map. South is any direction towards the outer edge of the circle. The outer edge of the circle is not the edge of the earth - which is [far] beyond it.

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Explain this part to me. If beyond the "ice wall", is not the edge of the earth, than your model of the flat earth extend indefinitely?

I just don't even understand how you even think this is remotely possible.

Go in depth beyond the ice wall.

Most people would call the "ice wall" that you mention, Antarctica. If you look at Google Earth, you should be able to fly from South America heading South, fly over Antarctica, than come to Australia.

Let's just say, we wanted to test your "flat earth" theory, what would happen, if you fly towards the "ice wall" (heading South) from South America, where would you go?

 

[GaryA]

flight? In your version, it is a shorter distance to the other side of the universe than someplace closer on the map...

Of course, that is assuming you fly straight through heaven to get to the other side but follow the concave contour to 'someplace'.

 

[GaryA]

Explain this part to me. If beyond the "ice wall", is not the edge of the earth, than your model of the flat earth extend indefinitely?

I just don't even understand how you even think this is remotely possible.

Go in depth beyond the ice wall.

Most people would call the "ice wall" that you mention, Antarctica. If you look at Google Earth, you should be able to fly from South America heading South, fly over Antarctica, than come to Australia.

Let's just say, we wanted to test your "flat earth" theory, what would happen, if you fly towards the "ice wall" (heading South) from South America, where would you go?

I said the outer-circle-edge of the map was not the edge of the earth.

The edge(s) of the earth are [far] beyond the edge of the map.

I believe the shape of the "top surface" of the earth is square.

Antarctica is not a continent; rather, what you think of as the 'perimeter' of it is actually the interior ocean-edge ice wall that surrounds the oceans and continents.

Beyond the ice wall is hundreds or thousands of miles of frozen ice-and-rock (as far as we can tell).

Eventually, there is an edge.

Google Earth is based on Ball Earth.

 

[GaryA]

The edge(s) of the earth are [far] beyond the edge of the map.

Nothing but frozen ... beyond the ice wall.

 

[kinda]

I said the outer-circle-edge of the map was not the edge of the earth.

The edge(s) of the earth are [far] beyond the edge of the map.

I believe the shape of the "top surface" of the earth is square.

Antarctica is not a continent; rather, what you think of as the 'perimeter' of it is actually the interior ocean-edge ice wall that surrounds the oceans and continents.

Beyond the ice wall is hundreds or thousands of miles of frozen ice-and-rock (as far as we can tell).

Eventually, there is an edge.

Google Earth is based on Ball Earth.

I think your nuts. Sorry, let's go back to the moon landing talk.

 

[GaryA]

I just don't even understand how you even think this is remotely possible.

If you are going to think about Flat Earth, you must think about it in the context of Flat Earth 'physics'.

Trying to think about Flat Earth with Ball Earth 'physics' does not work.

 

[GaryA]

I think your nuts. Sorry, let's go back to the moon landing talk.

Okay - good idea. Really didn't mean to hijack the thread anyway - let's stay within the thread topic.