So, here are a bunch of biblically-aware Christian singles, some of whom are looking for connections. What a perfect group from which to invite feedback on this subject. So let me invite you all to respond to these questions:
- Do you know any MGTOW men (or women who are pro-men's rights)? Have they discussed their views?
- How do you interpret their views?
- Even if you would not choose their practice, do you “get” where they are coming from?
- What is a reasonable Christian response to MGTOW? To extreme feminism?
- For the gals especially, how do (might) you assure your man that you wouldn't treat him “that” way if things were to go badly in your relationship?
Any related thoughts or questions are welcome. Thanks!
By the bullet point:
- Not personally. However, the subject is of interest to me and I have listened to many of the more popular MGTOW channels online.
- I actually agree with many of them. It depends on the person I am listening to, and as some can be more extreme/jaded than others, it wouldn't behoove me to give an interpretation that "fits all" so to speak.
- I'm already practicing a form of it, but didn't know it had a name until a few years ago. The reasons aren't lack of female interest. I do get that still. However if their attitudes even smell of radical feminism, or of entitlement or a number of other things - I don't bother with them.
- When women are given unfair advantage in parental rights, divorce settlements and just about everything else that can bear on a relationship - the reasonable response is exactly what MGTOW endorses - it's the only way that they could possibly wake up to them selves and the toxic mess that is modern feminism. It invites some of the women to go after the feminists on the grossly egregious attitudes and bias that effects the male/female dynamic most sorely.
What I think of extreme feminism? It's absolutely toxic - to both male/female relationships and to society as a whole. Some of the teachings that come out of feminism these days have men paying for children they don't father, have men facing "rape" charges when the women was willing but
simply changed her mind later (!!) , encourage the idea that men are always the initiators of violence and always have the upper hand (hint - they don't always, and in most places a man cannot get any kind of government funded help if his woman happens to gain the upper hand.) To too many people in society - male bashing is seen as humorous, and even if she wacks you on the head with a pan if you respond by putting her on the floor with your fist YOU are the bad guy. Equal rights, anyone?
Most feminism seems also to be cowardly and man hating. For example - they don't typically have much to say of Islamic genital mutilation, or the ill treatment of women under Sharia law. Instead, it's all about competing with men in the western world - and if women don't equal men in being CEO's, well then there just has to be something wrong with things. After all, that's unfair on the surface, right?
Further, feminism has, from the start, been nothing about "equality". Women have always been able to work, compete in sports and do other things men do. No - it's more of a "me too" syndrome where the woman in question seems to hate her femininity or the things that make her feminine. Men typically are not attracted to butch women - so the women tries to find satisfaction by getting her dues against males, or if not, then by trying to gain power through materialistic possession...or theft of it through the courts.
That being said - I DO agree with alimony under certain circumstances. Namely these - if a woman has largely been stay at home mother, taking care of domestic type duties while the man earns the lion's share of the money - and this has been the overall lifestyle for many years as a married couple - then yes, she deserves some compensation if they divorce, as this is fair. It is not fair under these circumstances though A) Adultery (hers). B) Some other man is supporting her.
Alimony should also be a two way street. If the women is a career woman who takes home the lion's share of the money and the man does most of the domestic work/raising kids - guess who should get alimony? I don't know what the official stance of modern Feminists is but if they don't agree it's just more evidence that their sense of "fairness" is way whacked.
One further point - for Christians in general. Western society is dying. Literally. More and more people are refusing to reproduce and the birthrate cannot even sustain the current population. Meanwhile - the Muslims take multiple wives and have 6-7 kids by them each. In the future - they will rule, and there are two things you can blame - 1) Feminism. 2) Gay marriage/privileges. When the Muslims come to power - both will end. It's just a simple numbers game, and it will happen if things don't change.
- Last bullet point - no comment as I'm not a gal.
