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[Live4Him3]

If you find you can't sleep, and want something to truly get disturbed about, and if you haven't seen it already, Bitchute just released this excellent video today on the Film and Movies, Oldies and Goodies channel.
"Age Of Deceit: Fallen Angels And The New World Order"

Hey, Joe.

So, I started watching the video. It's about 2 1/2 hours long, and I've only watched a little bit more than 30 minutes of it thus far.

On the downside, I'm no fan of Kent Hovind or Doug Hamp, so I wasn't thrilled to see the two of them in the video early on.

On the upside, I definitely agree with the filmmaker's take in regard to what Satan said in the garden of Eden being the underlying philosophy of those who desire "A New World Order".

Anyhow, I'll watch more of the video later, but I already know who the antichrist will ultimately be, based upon both scripture and history:

A "pope" of Rome, for sure.

I'd burn at an infinite number of stakes on that point.

 

[ZNP]

Smh. You obviously take a lot of liberty with the Bible interpreting things your way and you have a problem when I say that tomorrow and one lifetime is not the same thing for the purposes of illustrating false prophets?

Jesus said that "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place" referring to the generation that saw the Jews return to Israel in 1948. According to Psalms a generation is 70-80 years. There have been about four or five prophecies in the Bible that were fulfilled precisely to the year including the return of the Jews to Israel and the return of Jerusalem to the Jews in 1967 as well as the crucifixion of Jesus and the destruction of the temple where not one stone would be left upon another.

Therefore no one is taking liberty with the Bible to take the Lord at His word and interpret this literally. That would put Jesus returning in glory in the clouds as taking place in the Spring of 2028. I hope that is in my lifetime.

 

[Eli1]

Jesus said that "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place" referring to the generation that saw the Jews return to Israel in 1948. According to Psalms a generation is 70-80 years. There have been about four or five prophecies in the Bible that were fulfilled precisely to the year including the return of the Jews to Israel and the return of Jerusalem to the Jews in 1967 as well as the crucifixion of Jesus and the destruction of the temple where not one stone would be left upon another.

Therefore no one is taking liberty with the Bible to take the Lord at His word and interpret this literally. That would put Jesus returning in glory in the clouds as taking place in the Spring of 2028. I hope that is in my lifetime.

Okay so now you don’t want to address what you said earlier and you switch back to scriptures. Lol
All right. Have fun in your world.

 

[ZNP]

Okay so now you don’t want to address what you said earlier and you switch back to scriptures. Lol
All right. Have fun in your world.

What are you talking about, can you be a little more specific or point to the post in question?

 

[Live4Him3]

Jesus said that "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place" referring to the generation that saw the Jews return to Israel in 1948. According to Psalms a generation is 70-80 years. There have been about four or five prophecies in the Bible that were fulfilled precisely to the year including the return of the Jews to Israel and the return of Jerusalem to the Jews in 1967 as well as the crucifixion of Jesus and the destruction of the temple where not one stone would be left upon another.

Therefore no one is taking liberty with the Bible to take the Lord at His word and interpret this literally. That would put Jesus returning in glory in the clouds as taking place in the Spring of 2028. I hope that is in my lifetime.

Jesus is neither returning in 2028, nor is he returning in the Springtime.

In the 9th chapter of the book of Daniel, we were given a starting point or trigger point by which to count ahead to Christ's first coming, and that was the going forth of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem. We were told to count forward 69 weeks, or 69 7-year periods, or 483 years from that starting point until the time that Jesus would be cut off for the sins of others, and that timeline was perfectly fulfilled.

Similarly, we were given a starting point or trigger point by which to count ahead to Christ's second coming, and that is when the antichrist confirms a covenant with the nation of Israel to rebuild their temple and to restore their temple sacrifices because their temple was destroyed back in 70 A.D. We were told to count forward 1 week, or 1 7-year period, or 7 years from that starting point until the time that Jesus will come the second time, and that covenant hasn't been confirmed as of yet. With such being the case, seeing how it's already 2022, there's no way that Jesus can return in 2028 because that is less than 7 years from now.

As far as the Springtime is concerned, Jesus will clearly return in the Falltime.

He perfectly fulfilled the Springtime Feasts in his first coming by being crucified on the Feast of Passover, by rising from the dead on the Feast of Firstfruits, and by pouring out the Holy Spirit on the Feast of Pentecost.

He will perfectly fulfill the Falltime Feasts on their exact calendar days as well, and Jesus will return on the Feast of Trumpets IN THE FALL of whatever year he returns.

 

[ZNP]

Jesus is neither returning in 2028, nor is he returning in the Springtime.

In the 9th chapter of the book of Daniel, we were given a starting point or trigger point by which to count ahead to Christ's first coming, and that was the going forth of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem. We were told to count forward 69 weeks, or 69 7-year periods, or 483 years from that starting point until the time that Jesus would be cut off for the sins of others, and that timeline was perfectly fulfilled.

Similarly, we were given a starting point or trigger point by which to count ahead to Christ's second coming, and that is when the antichrist confirms a covenant with the nation of Israel to rebuild their temple and to restore their temple sacrifices because their temple was destroyed back in 70 A.D. We were told to count forward 1 week, or 1 7-year period, or 7 years from that starting point until the time that Jesus will come the second time, and that covenant hasn't been confirmed as of yet. With such being the case, seeing how it's already 2022, there's no way that Jesus can return in 2028 because that is less than 7 years from now.

As far as the Springtime is concerned, Jesus will clearly return in the Falltime.

He perfectly fulfilled the Springtime Feasts in his first coming by being crucified on the Feast of Passover, by rising from the dead on the Feast of Firstfruits, and by pouring out the Holy Spirit on the Feast of Pentecost.

He will perfectly fulfill the Falltime Feasts on their exact calendar days as well, and Jesus will return on the Feast of Trumpets IN THE FALL of whatever year he returns.

if the covenant is confirmed at the feast of trumpets that would kick off the start of the 70th week, if the 70th week is completed and then we have the Great White Throne judgement that would fulfill feast of atonement. beginning the millenial reign will fulfill the Feast of tabernacles.

But wait, what about Armageddon? That has to be before the Great White throne judgement? What about when Jesus steps down on Mt. of Olives, it splits and the Jews flee inside when He comes in the clouds in great glory with an army on horseback to rescue Israel? Oops, that has to happen prior to Armageddon.

 

[Live4Him3]

if the covenant is confirmed at the feast of trumpets that would kick off the start of the 70th week, if the 70th week is completed and then we have the Great White Throne judgement that would fulfill feast of atonement. beginning the millenial reign will fulfill the Feast of tabernacles.

But wait, what about Armageddon? That has to be before the Great White throne judgement? What about when Jesus steps down on Mt. of Olives, it splits and the Jews flee inside when He comes in the clouds in great glory with an army on horseback to rescue Israel? Oops, that has to happen prior to Armageddon.

The Great White Throne judgment doesn't occur until the end of Christ's Millennial Reign:

Revelation chapter 20

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[ZNP]

The Great White Throne judgment doesn't occur until the end of Christ's Millennial Reign:

Revelation chapter 20

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The feast of atonement is very clearly the judgement seat where everyone is judged to determine if their names are written in the book of life. You are saying the feasts must be fulfilled in order. So then there will be a judgement prior to the millenial reign in which everyone will be judged and Satan will be put into prison. In all legal courtrooms we have a trial in which a person is convicted of a crime. However, they will only determine innocent or guilty on that day. A day later the judge will return and issue the sentence. Satan is convicted prior to the millenial reign and put into prison, at the end of the millenial reign he is let out and brought before the court to get his sentence and be cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Live4Him3]

The feast of atonement is very clearly the judgement seat where everyone is judged to determine if their names are written in the book of life. You are saying the feasts must be fulfilled in order. So then there will be a judgement prior to the millenial reign in which everyone will be judged and Satan will be put into prison. In all legal courtrooms we have a trial in which a person is convicted of a crime. However, they will only determine innocent or guilty on that day. A day later the judge will return and issue the sentence. Satan is convicted prior to the millenial reign and put into prison, at the end of the millenial reign he is let out and brought before the court to get his sentence and be cast into the lake of fire.

And your proof of the bold-faced part would be?

 

[ZNP]

And your proof of the bold-faced part would be?

Leviticus 16 --

and

https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/yom-kippur-history

Yom Kippur—the Day of Atonement—is considered the most important holiday in the Jewish faith. Falling in the month of Tishrei (September or October in the Gregorian calendar), it marks the culmination of the 10 Days of Awe, a period of introspection and repentance that follows Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. According to tradition, it is on Yom Kippur that God decides each person’s fate, so Jews are encouraged to make amends and ask forgiveness for sins committed during the past year.

 

[Live4Him3]

Leviticus 16 --

and

https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/yom-kippur-history

Yom Kippur—the Day of Atonement—is considered the most important holiday in the Jewish faith. Falling in the month of Tishrei (September or October in the Gregorian calendar), it marks the culmination of the 10 Days of Awe, a period of introspection and repentance that follows Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. According to tradition, it is on Yom Kippur that God decides each person’s fate, so Jews are encouraged to make amends and ask forgiveness for sins committed during the past year.

I understand what the Day of Atonement is, but you haven't proved your claim that the Day of Atonement and the Great White Throne judgment are one and the same.

Consider the following:

Revelation chapter 20

[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The Great White Throne judgment is only a judgment for THE DEAD.

The saints have already attained to "the first resurrection" (vss. 5-6).

With such being the case, you still haven't proven your claim:

The feast of atonement is very clearly the judgement seat where everyone is judged to determine if their names are written in the book of life.

Again, only THE DEAD who missed out on "the first resurrection", and NOT "everyone", is judged at the Great White Throne judgment.

 

[ZNP]

I understand what the Day of Atonement is, but you haven't proved your claim that the Day of Atonement and the Great White Throne judgment are one and the same.

Consider the following:

Revelation chapter 20

[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The Great White Throne judgment is only a judgment for THE DEAD.

The saints have already attained to "the first resurrection" (vss. 5-6).

With such being the case, you still haven't proven your claim:


Again, only THE DEAD who missed out on "the first resurrection", and NOT "everyone", is judged at the Great White Throne judgment.

There is a BEMA seat judgement for Christians, that takes place prior to the end of the age. It may also take place on this day, but this is a festival in the OT, It is the Jews covenant with God and therefore they also must be in this festival. At the end of the age almost everyone is dead, but the nation of Israel is saved collectively and they are not dead.

Everyone must at some point stand before the throne and be judged for the things they have done. This is the one festival that depicts standing before the judge to be judged for what you have done.

If you agree that Feast of Trumpets starts the 70th week and Feast of Tabernacles depicts millenial reign of Christ beginning, then Day of Atonement is between these two when the Jews are judged to see if their names are in the book of life or not.

I am less interested in this, we all must appear before the Lord to be judged for what we have done, that interests me. We have been charged by the Lord to watch for His appearing. That interests me. But being lectured on the timeline of the next thousand years when the people who are doing that cannot even give you the first day (when the church is raptured) and which they will never be held to account by me as once all this happens it will be mute, just doesn't interest me. I must have seen a dozen timelines and there is too much freedom to run wild.

 

[Live4Him3]

There is a BEMA seat judgement for Christians, that takes place prior to the end of the age. It may also take place on this day, but this is a festival in the OT, It is the Jews covenant with God and therefore they also must be in this festival. At the end of the age almost everyone is dead, but the nation of Israel is saved collectively and they are not dead.

Everyone must at some point stand before the throne and be judged for the things they have done. This is the one festival that depicts standing before the judge to be judged for what you have done.

If you agree that Feast of Trumpets starts the 70th week and Feast of Tabernacles depicts millenial reign of Christ beginning, then Day of Atonement is between these two when the Jews are judged to see if their names are in the book of life or not.

There is nothing, and I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in scripture that even remotely suggests that "the nation of Israel is saved collectively".

In fact, we're told repeatedly throughout scripture that only a remnant of Jews will ultimately be saved.

 

[ZNP]

There is nothing, and I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in scripture that even remotely suggests that "the nation of Israel is saved collectively".

In fact, we're told repeatedly throughout scripture that only a remnant of Jews will ultimately be saved.

Yes, but that remnant is saved collectively. Scripture tells us Jesus steps down on the Mt. of Olives and it splits and they run in for protection. It also tells us that Jesus returns in the clouds, in great glory with an army that saves Jerusalem at the time of Armageddon.

 

[Live4Him3]

Yes, but that remnant is saved collectively. Scripture tells us Jesus steps down on the Mt. of Olives and it splits and they run in for protection. It also tells us that Jesus returns in the clouds, in great glory with an army that saves Jerusalem at the time of Armageddon.

It's true that he'll intervene for Jerusalem at the time of the battle of Armageddon, but, again, not all of the Jews in Jerusalem will be saved at that time.

In fact, Jesus told the believing Jews to flee from Jerusalem when they behold certain prophetic signs, and those who don't flee shall be destroyed.

For example:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"The abomination of desolation" of which Daniel foretold will ultimately "stand in the holy place" or within a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

When that occurs, the believing remnant in "Judaea" or "Judah", which is where Jerusalem is located, will "flee".

The others?

Well, it won't bode well for them.

You'll also notice the "great sound of a trumpet" at Christ's return because, again, he returns on the Feast of Trumpets which is a Falltime Feast.

Anyhow, this conversation has derailed, I think, from the OP's original intent.

To my original point, I don't expect to see any nuclear wars anytime soon.

What I do expect to see is a coming rebuilt third Jewish temple and the antichrist ultimately declaring himself to be "God" from within the same. Of course, Christ shall return, as the prophesied son of David, to ultimately claim his rightful place upon that throne.

This is part of what I'm watching for.

 

[ZNP]

Anyhow, this conversation has derailed, I think, from the OP's original intent.

To my original point, I don't expect to see any nuclear wars anytime soon.

What I do expect to see is a coming rebuilt third Jewish temple and the antichrist ultimately declaring himself to be "God" from within the same. Of course, Christ shall return, as the prophesied son of David, to ultimately claim his rightful place upon that throne.

This is part of what I'm watching for.

Why would you expect to see that? Daniel said that there are 70 weeks determined for the Jews, and that between the 69th when Messiah is cut off and the start of the 70th when this covenant is confirmed, we will have the times of the Gentiles.

The last 2,000 years has been the "times of the Gentiles". One would expect that when this time is up the church will be raptured. Therefore the rapture could take place before the 70th week begins. You will already be raptured unless you are left behind.

Also, are all these Islamic nations going to just sit back and allow some European leader to confirm a covenant with Israel so that they can rebuild their temple?

There are a lot of reasons to think that the Ezekiel 38 war will take place prior to the 70th week beginning and it is that miraculous defeat of the Islamic nations allied with Russia that open the door for the AntiChrist to confirm this covenant.

 

[Live4Him3]

Why would you expect to see that? Daniel said that there are 70 weeks determined for the Jews, and that between the 69th when Messiah is cut off and the start of the 70th when this covenant is confirmed, we will have the times of the Gentiles.

The last 2,000 years has been the "times of the Gentiles". One would expect that when this time is up the church will be raptured. Therefore the rapture could take place before the 70th week begins. You will already be raptured unless you are left behind.

Also, are all these Islamic nations going to just sit back and allow some European leader to confirm a covenant with Israel so that they can rebuild their temple?

There are a lot of reasons to think that the Ezekiel 38 war will take place prior to the 70th week beginning and it is that miraculous defeat of the Islamic nations allied with Russia that open the door for the AntiChrist to confirm this covenant.

No offense, but you said so many incorrect things in this short post that I'm only going to quickly address one of them right now.

Ezekiel 38, or that which pertains to "Gog and Magog", HAPPENS AT THE END OF CHRIST'S MILLENNIAL REIGN, so don't let anybody deceive you into believing otherwise.

It is written:

Revelation chapter 20

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Live4Him3]

Why would you expect to see that? Daniel said that there are 70 weeks determined for the Jews, and that between the 69th when Messiah is cut off and the start of the 70th when this covenant is confirmed, we will have the times of the Gentiles.

The last 2,000 years has been the "times of the Gentiles". One would expect that when this time is up the church will be raptured. Therefore the rapture could take place before the 70th week begins. You will already be raptured unless you are left behind.

Also, are all these Islamic nations going to just sit back and allow some European leader to confirm a covenant with Israel so that they can rebuild their temple?

There are a lot of reasons to think that the Ezekiel 38 war will take place prior to the 70th week beginning and it is that miraculous defeat of the Islamic nations allied with Russia that open the door for the AntiChrist to confirm this covenant.

There was no such thing as an Israelite or a Jew upon the face of the earth until the time came that God changed Jacob's name to "Israel" and he had twelve sons who became known as "the twelve tribes of Israel". Jacob's/Israel's fourth son was Judah, and it is from the name Judah that we derive our English word "Jew".

Why is this significant?

Well, because there were approximately 2200 years from the time of Adam until the time that the first Israelite or Jew appeared on the face of this earth, and PLENTY OF GENTILES, who were the only people in existence during that timeframe, WERE SAVED.

You know, GENTILES like Abel, Enoch, Noah, and even Abraham.

Yes, they were all Gentiles who were saved by faith.

With such being the case, I totally reject your suggested timeline for "the times of the Gentiles".

In reality, the first people to be saved were the Gentiles...for those who actually believe the Bible and haven't been brainwashed at "church".

 

[ZNP]

No offense, but you said so many incorrect things in this short post that I'm only going to quickly address one of them right now.

Ezekiel 38, or that which pertains to "Gog and Magog", HAPPENS AT THE END OF CHRIST'S MILLENNIAL REIGN, so don't let anybody deceive you into believing otherwise.

It is written:

Revelation chapter 20

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

That is one theory. I am aware of that theory, but there are a number of reasons to think that Ezekiel 38 refers to the 7years before the millenial reign.

I am not offended by your response, but your arrogance and pride in pretending to know for a certainty these things is disturbing. I have been studying the word for more than 40 years, maybe 50 years. I am aware of many people who have studied these matters in great depth and yet realize they cannot be certain how to interpret them.

 

[Live4Him3]

That is one theory. I am aware of that theory, but there are a number of reasons to think that Ezekiel 38 refers to the 7years before the millenial reign.

I am not offended by your response, but your arrogance and pride in pretending to know for a certainty these things is disturbing. I have been studying the word for more than 40 years, maybe 50 years. I am aware of many people who have studied these matters in great depth and yet realize they cannot be certain how to interpret them.

You don't know how to interpret them?

For crying out loud, it tells you exactly when it takes place.

That's neither "arrogance" nor "pride" on my part.

Instead, it's HUMILITY by simply letting God be true and every man a liar.