Uvalde, TX School Shooting

[ZNP]

Was someone helping Ramos?

1. We now know that the teacher who closed that door to the school which was propped open slammed it shut. It was supposed to lock but wasn't working. My question is how many doors on all the schools in Uvalde don't work. I assume they have at least 3 schools, probably more, and we might be talking about 20 exterior doors. Wouldn't it be amazing, miraculous even, if this one door is the only one that won't lock?

2. We also know that they lied to us telling us that the reason he got in was because this teacher left the door open. Yet if they asked the teacher she would have denied that, if they had checked the videotape they could have seen that wasn't true and if they checked the door they would have known it wouldn't lock. This isn't trivial, they basically told the world's press that this one elementary school teacher was responsible for 19 kids getting killed and two teachers. Do they really slander people like that flippantly?

Think how important this is for policy decisions. If this school was hardened who sabotaged it? Was it the kid who shot up the school? If not then who was he working with?

3. Another question I have is how did this 18 year old kid working part time at a Wendy's afford $83k worth of guns, ammo, equipment and trucks? This is critical again to policy. We are discussing changing the age that kids can buy these weapons from 18 to 21 but if he wasn't the one who bought them will that change really make any difference?

This is now the second piece of evidence that makes you ask if someone was helping him?

4. They also told us that the school resource officer engaged Ramos and shot at him. Why would they say that? The school resource officer wasn't even at this school when Ramos arrived. Why would you just make stuff like that up?

Again, this is a critical question for policy reasons. Many people are saying that "a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun". If the school resource officer had been unable to stop this bad guy with a gun it puts more weight behind those calling to confiscate guns rather than to arm people at schools. So every lie they told us has huge policy implications.

5. Originally we are told that Ramos was outside shooting for 12 minutes before entering the school. Later this was clarified to he was outside for 5 minutes before entering the school. Again, a critical piece of information. If the school had 12 minutes warning there is plenty of time for police and SWAT to arrive and no need to arm teachers and guards. If on the other hand it was five minutes then you can see how depending on police to show up with guns will be a day late and a dollar short.

6. Originally the spokesman denied that the on scene commander ordered the cops to stand down and wait for SWAT. However, video footage has surfaced proving that is exactly what happened. This is directly contrary to protocol. If you have a hostage situation with a man barricaded in the school you wait for SWAT, if you have an active shooter killing kids you don't. It is abundantly clear from video evidence that everyone outside knew there was an active shooter inside killing kids.

People may make mistake, people may try to tell a story to cover up their mistakes, but there is no reason for a spokesman for the police to tell lies to cover up the mistakes of others. I don't believe in conspiracy theories I also don't believe in coincidences. If you had one mistake, then maybe it is bad luck. The door being broken can be said to be bad luck. This kid going in the one door that is broken, that is more than bad luck. Lying about the door being broken, that is number three. Lying about the time line, that is number four. Lying about the safety officer that is number five. Lying about why they didn't enter the building for 40 minutes while this guy killed kids is number six. Finally, in addition to these six things you have $83K.

Only an idiot would believe this is bad luck or a coincidence.

Everything that happened, every lie, every bit of bad luck was there to advance a narrative that we need to confiscate AR-15s.

 

[ZNP]

Why Uvalde?

I lived in West Texas and yet I never heard of Uvalde till this incident. This is a small town, it is near bigger towns that I have heard of like San Antonio, Del Rio, Nuevo Laredo, Fort Stockton and Van Horn.

If you look at the gun debate all of the Democrat run cities where guns are outlawed are a disaster. NYC, Chicago, LA are just 3 examples that are off the charts. So every time people in Texas and other states where guns are legal will say if these laws that outlaw guns work why don't they work?

So this horrific shooting would not have had any impact on outlawing guns if it had happened in Atlanta, or Washington DC, or NYC, or Detroit, or Seatle, etc. No, I think it had to be a state like Texas which is the state that carries the banner for gun rights. Not only so but a big city like Houston or Dallas also wouldn't have the impact of a small rural town like Uvalde.

You don't want a border town like Mcallen or Fort Bliss because then it would draw too much attention to that catastrophe. Also you want a very small town so the number of people who know your dirty little secret is kept small and when you "silence" them no one really notices.

Still it is very hard to believe a human could orchestrate this. I am thinking this whole concept of lizard people is becoming easier and easier to believe.

 

[montana123]

It seems like these school shootings are a set up so they can take the assault weapons away which will eventually lead to banning all guns.

That is what they want is to take the guns away as they transition to a new form of government that is a balance between democracy and communism that will mimic the one world government to come.

The nations are transitioning to a one world government and the nations are working with each other but they do not want to the world to know that and make it appear as if everything is going by coincidence and not a plan.

America does the same thing with Democrat and Republican which because of their fighting people think there is not a plan going on which they are actually working together.

Russia and America are actually working together.

The nations are actually working together and controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

The one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism which will cater to the nations which America will still have somewhat democracy but they have to be a little harder and China will still somewhat communism but they have to be a little softer.

The one world government cannot be too strict when it first starts operating or else they could not get the people on board so it will have promises of peace for the world, the poor having their needs taken care of, all people are equal, getting rid of racism, and things that are good.

But then the New Age Christ will start operating in the world and the one world government will get more strict and the New Age Christ will convince the world that they have to go against certain groups of people for peace on earth which the world will not care for they are following the new age movement which the New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God.

The new age movement does not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve to be spiritual and have peace on earth until the nations come together as one to try to establish peace on earth so that is the plan to get the nations to come together.

The new age movement will be a balance between atheism and spirituality which they believe in no personal God.

America has to knock down the white people even lying about them and boost the black people, minorities.

They have to knock down the men and boost the women.

They have to knock down the parents and boost the children which they loved the counterculture movement.

They have to knock down the heterosexuals and boost the homosexuals and also they want population reduction.

They have to knock down the religious and boost the atheist.

No fat shaming, children get trophies for losing, among other things as they try to put all people equal each other for that is the only way it will work for the world to come together.

America is transitioning to a new form of government and the world is transitioning to a one world government.

It seems like the school shootings are a set up so they can take away the assault weapons and then eventually all guns.

And involving children in the violence makes it more urgent for them to try to convince the nation to take away the assault guns for they are children.

Then they will be on to talking about the shootings in Chicago and all the crimes of handguns so they can take them away.

 

[Polar]

There was an article on CNN today that explained that Britain has prevented mass school shootings through gun laws alone. People that carry out such acts usually just use the nearest thing they can get to express themselves and their emotions. School shootings are usually not premeditated crimes.

Let me put this in simple words. School shootings are absolutely premeditated. I suggest you do a search, in your own words if you want, but you might try 'are school shootings premeditated. CNN would castrate themselves before anyone who did not agree with the truth. That, does not reflect on you necessarily, but do some research on crime in Britain and all the local terrorist talent they have living there.

 

[ZNP]

Let me put this in simple words. School shootings are absolutely premeditated.

10. In a comprehensive school shooting study, the Secret Service and Department of Education found that 93% of school shooters planned the attack in advance.10  When people see the signs and get help, we can end school shootings.

11. Almost all mass school shooters shared  threatening or concerning messages or images. More than 75% raised concern from others prior to the attacks. Bystanders saw warning signs in most documented active shooter cases. 11 Truly, you can prevent school shootings when you know the signs.

https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/gun-violence/16-facts-about-gun-violence-and-school-shootings/

I know that after Columbine awareness of the seriousness of bullying in schools resulted in major changes in professional development of teachers and pedagogues. I know after Sandy Hook schools were hardened and practiced various lock down drills.

We have also made it much easier for kids to report threats to supervisors. I was teaching in Brooklyn and knew of at least two times that we were alerted to threats either made online or reported by students. I would not be surprised if for every mass shooting that takes place at a school that ten were either averted or nullified.

I would also not be surprised if the focus on dealing with bullying has been that proverbial ounce of prevention that is worth a pound of cure.

And yet since 1999 and Columbine we have seen a huge increase in school shootings. There is a Satanic influence on kids and society. Removing the Bible and prayer has had a huge impact. Sharing your faith has been made an offense for which a teacher will be fired. These are the three things that had the biggest impact.

The US has been filled with guns since the 1700s and yet 37 years after making school sponsored prayer illegal shootings begin to take off. Columbine was 36 years after it became illegal to have Bible readings in school. So now, in 2022 it is easier to find pornography in the school library than to find a Bible. Yes, technically it is still legal to have a Bible in the school library, but it is like kryptonite. Everyone is afraid to touch it lest they get fired. Librarians, principals and teachers all understand that even the unconfirmed allegation of proselytizing would get you fired or removed from the building pending a hearing. It would be very damaging to your career. Is a teacher allowed to bring a bible to school to read during lunch? Theoretically yes, but in reality no. What I mean is you can't eat lunch in the school without kids coming into the classroom. Kids are very inquisitive so if you are reading a Bible they will ask what you are reading. Later they may talk to another teacher, or parent and the story could get twisted. Once it goes to the principal that person would have a great deal of discretion. They can write you up based on unconfirmed allegations. If the allegation is unconfirmed and you have tenure you will have legal protection and so it will be a write up that stays on your record for three years. If you don't have tenure and it now takes at least five years for new teachers to get tenure they can let you go without any reason. Ultimately I would tell any teacher who wanted to read the Bible at school to do it on a computer application and to be discreet. However, many teachers use the computers given to them by the school. If you do that you are playing with fire, nothing on that computer is private and if you had a principal that wanted to get rid of Christians they could do that. One thing people don't understand, once a principal decides she wants to get rid of a teacher it is easy to do. You can harass teachers, do surprise observations, and if you don't see anything to write up then don't write up anything. Simply do another and another until you do. I have seen this happen several times in my career.

 

[Polar]

10. In a comprehensive school shooting study, the Secret Service and Department of Education found that 93% of school shooters planned the attack in advance.10  When people see the signs and get help, we can end school shootings.

11. Almost all mass school shooters shared  threatening or concerning messages or images. More than 75% raised concern from others prior to the attacks. Bystanders saw warning signs in most documented active shooter cases. 11 Truly, you can prevent school shootings when you know the signs.

https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/gun-violence/16-facts-about-gun-violence-and-school-shootings/

I know that after Columbine awareness of the seriousness of bullying in schools resulted in major changes in professional development of teachers and pedagogues. I know after Sandy Hook schools were hardened and practiced various lock down drills.

We have also made it much easier for kids to report threats to supervisors. I was teaching in Brooklyn and knew of at least two times that we were alerted to threats either made online or reported by students. I would not be surprised if for every mass shooting that takes place at a school that ten were either averted or nullified.

I would also not be surprised if the focus on dealing with bullying has been that proverbial ounce of prevention that is worth a pound of cure.

And yet since 1999 and Columbine we have seen a huge increase in school shootings. There is a Satanic influence on kids and society. Removing the Bible and prayer has had a huge impact. Sharing your faith has been made an offense for which a teacher will be fired. These are the three things that had the biggest impact.

The US has been filled with guns since the 1700s and yet 37 years after making school sponsored prayer illegal shootings begin to take off. Columbine was 36 years after it became illegal to have Bible readings in school. So now, in 2022 it is easier to find pornography in the school library than to find a Bible. Yes, technically it is still legal to have a Bible in the school library, but it is like kryptonite. Everyone is afraid to touch it lest they get fired. Librarians, principals and teachers all understand that even the unconfirmed allegation of proselytizing would get you fired or removed from the building pending a hearing. It would be very damaging to your career. Is a teacher allowed to bring a bible to school to read during lunch? Theoretically yes, but in reality no. What I mean is you can't eat lunch in the school without kids coming into the classroom. Kids are very inquisitive so if you are reading a Bible they will ask what you are reading. Later they may talk to another teacher, or parent and the story could get twisted. Once it goes to the principal that person would have a great deal of discretion. They can write you up based on unconfirmed allegations. If the allegation is unconfirmed and you have tenure you will have legal protection and so it will be a write up that stays on your record for three years. If you don't have tenure and it now takes at least five years for new teachers to get tenure they can let you go without any reason. Ultimately I would tell any teacher who wanted to read the Bible at school to do it on a computer application and to be discreet. However, many teachers use the computers given to them by the school. If you do that you are playing with fire, nothing on that computer is private and if you had a principal that wanted to get rid of Christians they could do that. One thing people don't understand, once a principal decides she wants to get rid of a teacher it is easy to do. You can harass teachers, do surprise observations, and if you don't see anything to write up then don't write up anything. Simply do another and another until you do. I have seen this happen several times in my career.

Thanks.

10. In a comprehensive school shooting study, the Secret Service and Department of Education found that 93% of school shooters planned the attack in advance.10  When people see the signs and get help, we can end school shootings.

11. Almost all mass school shooters shared  threatening or concerning messages or images. More than 75% raised concern from others prior to the attacks. Bystanders saw warning signs in most documented active shooter cases. 11 Truly, you can prevent school shootings when you know the signs.

https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/gun-violence/16-facts-about-gun-violence-and-school-shootings/

I also just noticed that my post contained the word 'castrate' and I have no idea how it got there or what word I meant at the time.

 

[Truth01]

Let me put this in simple words. School shootings are absolutely premeditated. I suggest you do a search, in your own words if you want, but you might try 'are school shootings premeditated. CNN would castrate themselves before anyone who did not agree with the truth. That, does not reflect on you necessarily, but do some research on crime in Britain and all the local terrorist talent they have living there.

Hi. I used the wrong wording when I said premeditated. I was trying to draw a comparison between organized crime and a school shooting. With organised crime a person may go to great lengths of bribing, theft etc in order to achieve their aim. School shooters generally may have previously decided to do a shooting, but in obtaining the weapon they use they show considerably less sophistication than a person involved in organized crime. They either use whatever is available or whatever they can obtain relatively easily. So my point was that if obtaining a gun is made difficult it may reduce such incidences as is the case with the UK.

 

[ZNP]

Hi. I used the wrong wording when I said premeditated. I was trying to draw a comparison between organized crime and a school shooting. With organised crime a person may go to great lengths of bribing, theft etc in order to achieve their aim. School shooters generally may have previously decided to do a shooting, but in obtaining the weapon they use they show considerably less sophistication than a person involved in organized crime. They either use whatever is available or whatever they can obtain relatively easily. So my point was that if obtaining a gun is made difficult it may reduce such incidences as is the case with the UK.

This 18 year old part time Wendy's employee showed incredible sophistication while at the same time the appearance of less sophistication.

Posting his intentions on social media is less sophisticated.

Having the door sabotaged so he could get in, having 83k worth of equipment, having the police all hang around for 40 minutes, all that smacks of highly sophisticated.

 

[shittim]

 

[Polar]

Hi. I used the wrong wording when I said premeditated. I was trying to draw a comparison between organized crime and a school shooting. With organised crime a person may go to great lengths of bribing, theft etc in order to achieve their aim. School shooters generally may have previously decided to do a shooting, but in obtaining the weapon they use they show considerably less sophistication than a person involved in organized crime. They either use whatever is available or whatever they can obtain relatively easily. So my point was that if obtaining a gun is made difficult it may reduce such incidences as is the case with the UK.

Did you read post 325? Very informative.

 

[Truth01]

Did you read post 325? Very informative.

Yes I have read it and I did find it very informative. However it didn't change my view. School shootings may involve more than one contributory factor. Removing God from schools I believe is a big one. My original post had been how gun restrictions in Brittain that were implemented after their first school shooting incident are thought to have been the reason why they have not experienced school shootings since. Like America they have removed God from schools. The result from a christian perspective was similar to that which happened in america, a school shooting. Both countries did not address the problem at what is thought to be its root, but what Brittain did seems to be a functioning way to handle the system in a world slowly rejecting its creator.

 

[Truth01]

This 18 year old part time Wendy's employee showed incredible sophistication while at the same time the appearance of less sophistication.

Posting his intentions on social media is less sophisticated.

Having the door sabotaged so he could get in, having 83k worth of equipment, having the police all hang around for 40 minutes, all that smacks of highly sophisticated.

We are discussing averages though, not individuaĺ incidents.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/

The shooter in this incident bought the gun a day after his 18th birthday, simply because of the reason that he was not yet of legal age in his state to be able to purchase a weopon. If the age restriction on purchasing guns in his state had been 21, what this story indicates is that he would have otherwise first purchased a gun in three years time, by which time he would have hopefully been well out of that school system and likely be employed and the thought to do this may have no longer been in his mind. He worked with what he had and what was possible for him to do without going out of his way.

 

[Handyman62]

We are discussing averages though, not individuaĺ incidents.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/

The shooter in this incident bought the gun a day after his 18th birthday, simply because of the reason that he was not yet of legal age in his state to be able to purchase a weopon. If the age restriction on purchasing guns in his state had been 21, what this story indicates is that he would have otherwise first purchased a gun in three years time, by which time he would have hopefully been well out of that school system and likely be employed and the thought to do this may have no longer been in his mind. He worked with what he had and what was possible for him to do without going out of his way.

While I don't disagree with a gun purchase age restriction that is the same as the drinking age, I think in this instance it wouldn't have made a difference as it appears that his murder spree was financed by a 3rd party and I see no reason why those same actors wouldn't have hesitated to provide him with guns along with all the money he was given.

 

[shittim]

Truth! There is MUCH more that needs to be brought into the light about this.

 

[ZNP]

We are discussing averages though, not individuaĺ incidents.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/

The shooter in this incident bought the gun a day after his 18th birthday, simply because of the reason that he was not yet of legal age in his state to be able to purchase a weopon. If the age restriction on purchasing guns in his state had been 21, what this story indicates is that he would have otherwise first purchased a gun in three years time, by which time he would have hopefully been well out of that school system and likely be employed and the thought to do this may have no longer been in his mind. He worked with what he had and what was possible for him to do without going out of his way.

Oh, we are talking averages? Really? 321 people are shot every day in the US. That is an average. Why are you talking about Uvalde? it is an outlier. This is the "flea and the camel" story. The camel when it comes to gun violence are gangs in cities. Shootings at an elementary school are exceedingly rare. You want to get the flea out of the ointment, fine, but why are you swallowing the camel?

 

[GaryA]

Did you really mean to say 'gnat'?

 

[ZNP]

Did you really mean to say 'gnat'?

well gnat doesn't seem deadly enough. At least a flea can be deadly.

 

[Truth01]

Oh, we are talking averages? Really? 321 people are shot every day in the US. That is an average. Why are you talking about Uvalde? it is an outlier. This is the "flea and the camel" story. The camel when it comes to gun violence are gangs in cities. Shootings at an elementary school are exceedingly rare. You want to get the flea out of the ointment, fine, but why are you swallowing the camel?

Hi. Please could you post a link to where the information you posted on the current findings of the shooter can be found. I had not yet come across those.

 

[Polar]

Yes I have read it and I did find it very informative. However it didn't change my view. School shootings may involve more than one contributory factor. Removing God from schools I believe is a big one. My original post had been how gun restrictions in Brittain that were implemented after their first school shooting incident are thought to have been the reason why they have not experienced school shootings since. Like America they have removed God from schools. The result from a christian perspective was similar to that which happened in america, a school shooting. Both countries did not address the problem at what is thought to be its root, but what Brittain did seems to be a functioning way to handle the system in a world slowly rejecting its creator.

What is the actual item on your 'now hear this' list. I'm sorry, maybe I missed it, but I do not know, do not see, where you expressed your 'view'.

 

[ZNP]

There is no man as blind as the blind man who believes he sees. And yet you believe in Niburu. We discussed this, and when I realized you were not going to change your mind, I left it. I didn't call you a moron for believing it. I know that you are aware that thinking curses can be attached to inanimate objects is a fairly common view in the church. You're like most Christians...you have to insult those you disagree with. SMH It's probably best that we don't talk anymore. Nibiru...from what I recall, this teaching comes from beings that are obviously related to fallen angels.