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ThereRoseaLamb

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They are a secular state and no they are not the apple of His eye.
Everlasting means what it means. I'll stick with the Word on this one.


Israel propped up Hamas, they could care less about the indigenous people of the land, they have leveled Gaza with more bombs that were used in WW II
Jews are the indigenous people. 3000 yrs of history doesn't make you indigenous, I don't know what does. smh If Israel and Hamas are good buddies they have a he&& of a way of showing it. Oct 7 would slap down that conspiracy theory.

And you know what else they do ...

they have their children sign bombs, they bring their children on boat tours to cheer on the destruction of Gaza and they have their children sing songs about the destruction of the people in Gaza
And Palestinians teach their children to sing songs in school about killing Jews. They name streets after terrorist to kill the most Jews. The NT has Romans 11, that makes me right and you wrong. Period.
 

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Everlasting means what it means. I'll stick with the Word on this one.




Jews are the indigenous people. 3000 yrs of history doesn't make you indigenous, I don't know what does. smh If Israel and Hamas are good buddies they have a he&& of a way of showing it. Oct 7 would slap down that conspiracy theory.



And Palestinians teach their children to sing songs in school about killing Jews. They name streets after terrorist to kill the most Jews. The NT has Romans 11, that makes me right and you wrong. Period.

Paul was writing to the people of his day, we interpret scripture based on what it meant to the primary audience.. basic stuff.
Wow
As for rest, your mind has been captured ... but ignorance is always a choice...... since correctly dividing the Word is available to all,
along with accurate history.
Not going to go round in circles, because everything is coming to light as we enter this unsettling time, but you have stated many times you will not be persuaded.
Good luck with that.
 

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I doubt you have ever really taken the deep dive (which would take years) of analyzing first hand sources on the history, much like the murder of Mary Phagan.

The curtain is coming down, but keep on.
Your dive based on what you've said so far in this forum, would be about 1 inch deep i would say. Less than that.
That's how deep in the water you go.
You don't even know what a Nation-State is.
 

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Not going to go round in circles, because everything is coming to light as we enter this unsettling time, but you have stated many times you will not be persuaded.
Good luck with that.
Lady, you're not going in a circle. You're going on a random distracted path.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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False right out of the gate.
Lol it's not false! I can go andon't like.

They copy/paste every time they offered a peace plan and every time it was refused. You can't just re-write history you d took people's homes, killed them and did unspeakable atrocities in 1948 with NO compensation to people who lived in those homes, some of whom were Christians, not that seems to make any difference to some people.

All very well documented, even though much has been destroyed.
No, what's well documented is that the Jewish people, coming from the Holocaust, bought dirt patches of land in a desolate place at exorbitant prices so they could be safe and free, or so they thought.

They always made the terms of the deal way above anything which would have be acceptable knowing at the right time they would confiscate all the land...... and when they were close to a deal the leader of Israel was assassinated
It is THEIR land!! 3000 yrs of proof, what else do you need?? You'd accept that for any other country as proof, but not the Jews. smh


I doubt you have ever really taken the deep dive (which would take years) of analyzing first hand sources on the history, much like the murder of
Mary Phagan
I don't deep dive into propaganda, no. But I do history and facts. Feelings don't matter, facts do.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Paul was writing to the people of his day, we interpret scripture based on what it meant to the primary audience.. basic stuff.
God said everlasting, not Paul, wow. But you ignore what God said. That's on you.

As for rest, your mind has been captured
Yes, it's called reading God's Word and believing it.
 

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Paul was writing to the people of his day, we interpret scripture based on what it meant to the primary audience.. basic stuff.
Wow
As for rest, your mind has been captured ... but ignorance is always a choice...... since correctly dividing the Word is available to all,
along with accurate history.
Not going to go round in circles, because everything is coming to light as we enter this unsettling time, but you have stated many times you will not be persuaded.
Good luck with that.
you may interpret scripture that way, and it appears you do. A genuine Christian takes all things to Him for His guidance and truth.
 

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Not going to go round in circles, because everything is coming to light as we enter this unsettling time, but you have stated many times you will not be persuaded.
Good luck with that.
31 “At that time,” declares the Lord, “I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they will be my people.”

2 This is what the Lord says:

“The people who survive the sword
will find favor in the wilderness;
I will come to give rest to Israel.”
3 The Lord appeared to us in the past,[a] saying:

“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.
4 I will build you up again,
and you, Virgin Israel, will be rebuilt.

Again you will take up your timbrels
and go out to dance with the joyful.
5 Again you will plant vineyards
on the hills of Samaria;
the farmers will plant them
and enjoy their fruit.
6 There will be a day when watchmen cry out
on the hills of Ephraim,
‘Come, let us go up to Zion,
to the Lord our God.’”
7 This is what the Lord says:

“Sing with joy for Jacob;
shout for the foremost of the nations.
Make your praises heard, and say,
‘Lord, save your people,
the remnant of Israel.’
8 See, I will bring them from the land of the north
and gather them from the ends of the earth.

Among them will be the blind and the lame,
expectant mothers and women in labor;
a great throng will return.
9 They will come with weeping;
they will pray as I bring them back.
I will lead them beside streams of water
on a level path where they will not stumble,
because I am Israel’s father,
and Ephraim is my firstborn son.
10 “Hear the word of the Lord, you nations;
proclaim it in distant coastlands:
‘He who scattered Israel will gather them
and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.’
11 For the Lord will deliver Jacob
and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they.

12 They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion;
they will rejoice in the bounty of the Lord—
the grain, the new wine and the olive oil,
the young of the flocks and herds.
They will be like a well-watered garden,
and they will sorrow no more.
13 Then young women will dance and be glad,
young men and old as well.
I will turn their mourning into gladness;
I will give them comfort and joy instead of sorrow.
14 I will satisfy the priests with abundance,
and my people will be filled with my bounty,”
declares the Lord.
15 This is what the Lord says:

“A voice is heard in Ramah,
mourning and great weeping,
Rachel weeping for her children
and refusing to be comforted,
because they are no more.”
16 This is what the Lord says:

“Restrain your voice from weeping
and your eyes from tears,
for your work will be rewarded,”
declares the Lord.
“They will return from the land of the enemy.
17 So there is hope for your descendants,”
declares the Lord.
“Your children will return to their own land.
18 “I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning:
‘You disciplined me like an unruly calf,
and I have been disciplined.
Restore me, and I will return,
because you are the Lord my God.
19 After I strayed,
I repented;
after I came to understand,
I beat my breast.
I was ashamed and humiliated
because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
20 Is not Ephraim my dear son,
the child in whom I delight?
Though I often speak against him,
I still remember him.
Therefore my heart yearns for him;
I have great compassion for him,”
declares the Lord.
21 “Set up road signs;
put up guideposts.
Take note of the highway,
the road that you take.
Return, Virgin Israel,
return to your towns.
22 How long will you wander,
unfaithful Daughter Israel?
The Lord will create a new thing on earth—
the woman will return to[b] the man.”
23 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “When I bring them back from captivity,[c] the people in the land of Judah and in its towns will once again use these words: ‘The Lord bless you, you prosperous city, you sacred mountain.’ 24 People will live together in Judah and all its towns—farmers and those who move about with their flocks. 25 I will refresh the weary and satisfy the faint.”

26 At this I awoke and looked around. My sleep had been pleasant to me.

27 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals. 28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the Lord. 29 “In those days people will no longer say,

‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.

31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[d] them,[e]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

35 This is what the Lord says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the Lord Almighty is his name:

36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”

37 This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”

declares the Lord.
38 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.
 
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I don't know who John Hagee is, but I do know that it will be the rapture that helps penetrate the delusion in all these who have been .

In Defense of Israel Book<
By John Hagee.

This features a little about his book.
He promoted it to millions so there's a resurgence of the teachings of Darby and Schofield. He made some very false teachings that exalted anyone living in that land mass claiming to be Jews.
He made claims of a universal salvation for those who are Jews.
He also said Jesus never claimed to be Messiah/Christ. I'm trying to think of that Bible word describing that .
 

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Christ Jesus is Israel, that is the everlasting Covenant, even Steve Bannon gets it.

Preferably because the Catholics, at least, did not fall for the Darby/Scofield bizarro world dipsy interpretation.
Oh Catholics were right there helping Hitler in the Holocaust. But even before that their hatred of the Jews was well known in history with blood libels and other nonsense.


I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]
9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
 

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In Defense of Israel Book<
By John Hagee.

This features a little about his book.
He promoted it to millions so there's a resurgence of the teachings of Darby and Schofield. He made some very false teachings that exalted anyone living in that land mass claiming to be Jews.
He made claims of a universal salvation for those who are Jews.
He also said Jesus never claimed to be Messiah/Christ. I'm trying to think of that Bible word describing that .
Doesn't matter if Hagee or Darby or what anyone else said. We're not Catholic we can read and understand the Bible and understand for ourselves. The Bible says God made an everlasting, unconditional covenant with the Jews. If God won't keep His promise to the Jews, He won't keep them to you.
 

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Oh Catholics were right there helping Hitler in the Holocaust. But even before that their hatred of the Jews was well known in history with blood libels and other nonsense.


I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]
9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Paul was not writing to some distant audience 2000+ years into the future, so ridiculous, he is telling his audience what will happen to them and what they will see in their very near future.

You will, never, ever make a case unless you use proper hermeneutics.
Obviously, Darby and Scofield were counting on ignorance to make a new system of interpretation.
 
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Tucker is learning.. but it would have been cool if he had made this clear as well.

Genesis 12 is about Abraham and his seed being blessed,

and those who bless him will be blessed by God, and those who curse him will be cursed by God.

Paul tells us explicitly in Galatians this seed is Christ Jesus and NOT Benjamin Netanyhoo's country NOR an ethno-religious diaspora.

Cruz and those like him seek to manipulate Christians who have been lied to about basic New Testament theology for a century.
But those days are coming to an end.

Romans chapter 4<

Abraham is the father of many nations. God blessed all who believe in the seed (singular) of Abraham.
Romans chapter 5<

And Galatians 3:16

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

This makes more sense to me than me having a proxy blesser, tax Collecting politicians, send unbelievable amounts of wealth from American labor to a small group of people in Netanyahu's administration who are antichrists according to the Bible.
 

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Romans chapter 4<

Abraham is the father of many nations. God blessed all who believe in the seed (singular) of Abraham.
Romans chapter 5<

And Galatians 3:16

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

This makes more sense to me than me having a proxy blesser, tax Collecting politicians, send unbelievable amounts of wealth from American labor to a small group of people in Netanyahu's administration who are antichrists according to the Bible.
This dual fulfillment, second chance is nonsense. There is One covenant.

Darby and Scofield created this lie that there are still some outstanding land covenant to be fulfilled, what a slap in the face to Christ Jesus who made it clear He came for them and they persecuted Him.

Christ Jesus fulfilled all the promises.
 

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I was asked who the Them referred to in this verse: Let them be confounded and turned back that hate Zion

I believe that Jesus is the incarnated word of God. I believe when we search the scriptures the goal is to see Jesus, because the scriptures testify of Jesus. Chuck Missler described the Bible as containing a holographic image of God. When you look at the image as a 2d image it is fuzzy. But if you shine a light through it that was identical to the light that made the image, then you will see the 3d image. He said storing information in this format resists anyone trying to distort it.

In summary, a combination of physical tamper-evident features, sophisticated manufacturing processes, and complex optical and visual security elements makes holographic images a robust defense against tampering and counterfeiting. Any attempt to interfere with the hologram will likely leave visible signs of damage, making it immediately apparent that the product or document has been tampered with.

There is no doubt that many of the things in the Bible are directly tied to historical events and those events help to define and understand the word.

However, 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Therefore, when the Bible says "Let them be confounded and turned back that hate Zion". It is applicable to us, it is profitable for us. That word is part of the fiber of Jesus Christ and so when Jesus said

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

If you are in Jesus Christ and you ask this, you are praying according to His will. The fact that this was a prayer of David or a prayer of Hezekiah or others, and that when they prayed the Lord answered, that doesn't mean the prayer is no longer God's will, it means that you have that much greater assurance that the Lord will answer. He did it before, He'll do it again.

We are told clearly that everything in the Old Testament is written for our benefit.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The Bible reveals a living God, one that is present and active.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

This doctrine that a word in the Bible is not living, but rather it only applies to people thousands of years ago is similar to what the Sadducees taught about there being no resurrection. Jesus pointed out that God is not the God of the dead but of the living. So the God of Abraham indicates that Abraham is still alive today and that the word to Abraham is still living and active today.
 

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This dual fulfillment, second chance is nonsense. There is One covenant.

Darby and Scofield created this lie that there are still some outstanding land covenant to be fulfilled, what a slap in the face to Christ Jesus who made it clear He came for them and they persecuted Him.

Christ Jesus fulfilled all the promises.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

I liken prophecy to the Mandlebrot set. You can look at some event in the Old Testament and see it again in the New Testament. Man fell according to Rabbinical teaching on the 9th of Av. Later the spies returned with the bad report on the 9th of Av causing the Jews to be cursed for a full 40 years (they had already spent two of those forty in the wilderness, so they had to continue wandering for another 38 years). Both Holy Temples were destroyed on the 9th of Av. The Jews lost the Battle of Betar in 133 AD on the 9th of Av, The Romans ploughed the temple mount on the 9th of Av, the Jews were expelled from England on the 9th of Av, the Jews were banished from Spain on the 9th of Av, and World War 1 began on the 9th of Av.

Everything in the Old Testament was done for our example, and again, I liken that to a mandlebrot set.
 

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Paul was not writing to some distant audience 2000+ years into the future, so ridiculous, he is telling his audience what will happen to them and what they will see in their very near future.

You will, never, ever make a case unless you use proper hermeneutics.
Obviously, Darby and Scofield were counting on ignorance to make a new system of interpretation.

It is speaking of the future. A 6th grader could read this and tell that truth. smh
 

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This dual fulfillment, second chance is nonsense. There is One covenant.

Darby and Scofield created this lie that there are still some outstanding land covenant to be fulfilled, what a slap in the face to Christ Jesus who made it clear He came for them and they persecuted Him.

Christ Jesus fulfilled all the promises.
The Jews are blinded until the Gentiles come in. Romans. The land promise has not been fulfilled and it won't be until Christ returns.