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Children were murdered in front of their parents, and parents were murdered in front of their children. What do you mean " if that's the worst"?! Women were raped, dragged through town naked. What do you mean "if that's the worst"?! There is a video done by an actress and her husband that cobbled together these videos. I can't watch it, but my mother did some of it. She's a nurse, she's not a weak woman and she says she can't forget what she saw. Utterly inhuman, totally sickening, to the point women were begging to be killed to end their suffering. So don't dare come in here saying if that's the worst "slaughter". Because if that was done to my loved one, I would do anything, pay anything, to see them brought to justice. The death of any Arab child is because of Hamas. Get it straight, Israel didn't start this.
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I am not sure what he means by that number, perhaps @Yahshua could provide more detail.
It maybe he is differentiating between how many were civilians killed and/or taken hostage directly by Hamas and the overall number who were killed on that day including those caught in the crossfire.
Many who were killed were IDF.
I don't know that its available to the public, but it should be. It was on FOX the other night. Gal Gadot and her husband put it together and I know people have screened it. I just checked and from what I can tell it has only been used for official purposes and is not available to the public. Check under her name and you may find out more.
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Let's go over your accusations above:
1. "if you wanted to explore whether it was true or not you would have performed your own research.... You didn't want to."
a.) I did appropriate research: I looked up the things you posted, and they were quite obviously nonsense as they contained zero evidence.
b.) Complaining about me is not a rebuttal. The things you posted contained zero substantiated evidence. Complaining about ME does not REBUT my points or REPAIR your lack of evidence.
2.) "The spirit of this reply is completely different from the spirit of your previous reply to me."
a.) The "spirit" of my replies have nothing to do with their accuracy, or the fact you cannot rebut them.... it's irrelevant to debate.
b.) If my tone offended you or hurt your feelings, then let's get that sorted: I apologize if I used an unkind tone and hurt your feelings.
c.) How you now "feel" about my apology is totally IRRELEVANT to debate... you still need to rebut my points.
3.) "let's not feign innocence or assume you were being purely academic with your reply saying things like "nonsense" and "purely propaganda."
a.) I'm not "feigning" anything. I stated a FACT, a very CLEAR PROPOSITION, when I said your evidences were nonsense.
b.) A video or article which contains zero documentation or substantiation is indeed nonsense. It does not constitute evidence, it would be thrown out of a court room for being SILLY. And silly videos and articles that contain no evidence are "usually" the kinds of things we see used as propaganda.
Conclusion:
a.) I looked over your video and article carefully, discovered they were nonsense, lacking any evidence, and then explained my view very carefully.
b.) Rather than rebut me, you have gone on a long tirade explaining how unhappy you feel.
c.) Your unhappiness is not a rebuttal, it's just complaining... complaining and being unhappy isn't a debate.
I'm very sorry if things like logic and evidence make people unhappy.
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1. "if you wanted to explore whether it was true or not you would have performed your own research.... You didn't want to."
a.) I did appropriate research: I looked up the things you posted, and they were quite obviously nonsense as they contained zero evidence.
b.) Complaining about me is not a rebuttal. The things you posted contained zero substantiated evidence. Complaining about ME does not REBUT my points or REPAIR your lack of evidence.
2.) "The spirit of this reply is completely different from the spirit of your previous reply to me."
a.) The "spirit" of my replies have nothing to do with their accuracy, or the fact you cannot rebut them.... it's irrelevant to debate.
b.) If my tone offended you or hurt your feelings, then let's get that sorted: I apologize if I used an unkind tone and hurt your feelings.
c.) How you now "feel" about my apology is totally IRRELEVANT to debate... you still need to rebut my points.
3.) "let's not feign innocence or assume you were being purely academic with your reply saying things like "nonsense" and "purely propaganda."
a.) I'm not "feigning" anything. I stated a FACT, a very CLEAR PROPOSITION, when I said your evidences were nonsense.
b.) A video or article which contains zero documentation or substantiation is indeed nonsense. It does not constitute evidence, it would be thrown out of a court room for being SILLY. And silly videos and articles that contain no evidence are "usually" the kinds of things we see used as propaganda.
Conclusion:
a.) I looked over your video and article carefully, discovered they were nonsense, lacking any evidence, and then explained my view very carefully.
b.) Rather than rebut me, you have gone on a long tirade explaining how unhappy you feel.
c.) Your unhappiness is not a rebuttal, it's just complaining... complaining and being unhappy isn't a debate.
I'm very sorry if things like logic and evidence make people unhappy.
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Those who will not condemn the slaughter of thousands of innocent kids but rather keep defending the actions of the same murderers, having not one level of understand of what is written that the Almighty abhors, are fake Christians. Fake Christians are pretenders who say they follow the teachings of Christ but who act just like the world when real life knocks on their doors.
Fake Christians are those who instead of condemning filth like this will instead defend it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ggyLt9iTnGo?si=xc4ICMsuWmZekn7I
Racists are those who vilify a group of people based on their ethnicity or assume their guilt while simultaneously assuming the innocence or victimhood of another group because of their ethnicity despite literal proof of their criminal actions. Racists are not morally consistent, but selectively condemn and defend based on who it is.
Israel is an ethno-state.
You wouldn't believe how much research I do and have done. I don't just watch videos. But to answer your question, yes.
..........I don't even know what this statement is supposed to mean. Am I to take this to mean "because palestinian people (as you say) agreed with October 7th that they retroactively committed Holocaust against the Jews in the 1900s"??
This is two scoopes of nonsense and over my doctor's daily recommended amount. And I can't even with the next quote. You say this...
...but then this...
...Even commit the same horrible crime not just to the perpetrators...but to innocent people that look like them who had absolutely nothing to do with what the perps did? It would be the perp's fault that you hurt those innocent people, right?
Amazing.
In your fix you wrote that "terrorists" committed the act, not an ethnic group, so does that justify systematically and intentionally targeting the ethnic group those terrorists are from, including 12 year olds?
Here's the Israeli army singing. Note the line of their "slogan".
https://youtube.com/shorts/4Fy6wTB6QeU?si=5875ts1_PTwJeLNE
They clearly don't distinguish a between the two either. That means 12 year olds, 8 year olds, 5 day olds, and teens are all fair game.
Fake Christians are those who instead of condemning filth like this will instead defend it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ggyLt9iTnGo?si=xc4ICMsuWmZekn7I
Racists are those who vilify a group of people based on their ethnicity or assume their guilt while simultaneously assuming the innocence or victimhood of another group because of their ethnicity despite literal proof of their criminal actions. Racists are not morally consistent, but selectively condemn and defend based on who it is.
Israel is an ethno-state.
You wouldn't believe how much research I do and have done. I don't just watch videos. But to answer your question, yes.
..........I don't even know what this statement is supposed to mean. Am I to take this to mean "because palestinian people (as you say) agreed with October 7th that they retroactively committed Holocaust against the Jews in the 1900s"??
This is two scoopes of nonsense and over my doctor's daily recommended amount. And I can't even with the next quote. You say this...
...but then this...
...Even commit the same horrible crime not just to the perpetrators...but to innocent people that look like them who had absolutely nothing to do with what the perps did? It would be the perp's fault that you hurt those innocent people, right?
Amazing.
In your fix you wrote that "terrorists" committed the act, not an ethnic group, so does that justify systematically and intentionally targeting the ethnic group those terrorists are from, including 12 year olds?
Here's the Israeli army singing. Note the line of their "slogan".
https://youtube.com/shorts/4Fy6wTB6QeU?si=5875ts1_PTwJeLNE
They clearly don't distinguish a between the two either. That means 12 year olds, 8 year olds, 5 day olds, and teens are all fair game.
“We bless every drop of blood that has been spilled for Jerusalem, which is clean and pure blood, blood spilled for
Allah, Allah willing. Every martyr (Shahid) will reach Paradise, and everyone wounded will be rewarded by Allah.“
Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, on PA-TV in 2015
“The Islamic Resistance Movement: Islam is its way. It is from Islam that it derives its ideas, concepts,
and perceptions concerning the universe, life, and man, and it refers to Islam's judgment in all its actions.
It is from Islam that it seeks direction so as to guide its steps.“
The covenant of Hamas, a terrorist organization that enjoys widespread popularity
in the Islamic world despite brutal massacres of Israeli men, women and children.
"It was a calculated act, performed with conviction and faith in Allah... I dedicated myself to Jihad
for the sake of Allah and Allah granted me success. Do you know how many casualties there were?
That was made possible by Allah."
Ahlam Tamimi, one of the bombers who slaughtered fifteen innocents, including six children at a Sbarro's pizza parlor.
"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off the fingertip of them"
Literature from the Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'l-Jihad Salafi group in Gaza quoting from the Quran to justify sending rockets haphazardly into Israeli population centers.
"I am proud and honored to be a terrorist for the sake of Allah... This is Islamic religious law.
I don't invent anything. I follow Islamic religious law in this."
Umm Nidal, a woman who sent her six sons on suicide missions against Jewish civilians
We are in need of strong and powerful heroes in order to implement the words of Allah: [The companions] 'are tough against the infidels and merciful among themselves.' We … motivate the students, to wage jihad, for the sake of Allah, and we instill love for Allah and His Prophet in the souls of our sons
Hamas spokesman at a 'summer camp' for kids. The Quran verse referenced is 48:29
"Our campaign against the Jews is a purely ideological Islamic campaign.
Islamic State magazine A-Naba' shortly after a March, 2022 murder spree
"My labeling is Islam only. Do not include me in any faction, organization or party because I am Muslim and that is enough for me."
Suicide note from Kamal Mahmoud Abu Bakr, a Palestinian terrorist source
Allah, Allah willing. Every martyr (Shahid) will reach Paradise, and everyone wounded will be rewarded by Allah.“
Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, on PA-TV in 2015
“The Islamic Resistance Movement: Islam is its way. It is from Islam that it derives its ideas, concepts,
and perceptions concerning the universe, life, and man, and it refers to Islam's judgment in all its actions.
It is from Islam that it seeks direction so as to guide its steps.“
The covenant of Hamas, a terrorist organization that enjoys widespread popularity
in the Islamic world despite brutal massacres of Israeli men, women and children.
"It was a calculated act, performed with conviction and faith in Allah... I dedicated myself to Jihad
for the sake of Allah and Allah granted me success. Do you know how many casualties there were?
That was made possible by Allah."
Ahlam Tamimi, one of the bombers who slaughtered fifteen innocents, including six children at a Sbarro's pizza parlor.
"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off the fingertip of them"
Literature from the Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'l-Jihad Salafi group in Gaza quoting from the Quran to justify sending rockets haphazardly into Israeli population centers.
"I am proud and honored to be a terrorist for the sake of Allah... This is Islamic religious law.
I don't invent anything. I follow Islamic religious law in this."
Umm Nidal, a woman who sent her six sons on suicide missions against Jewish civilians
We are in need of strong and powerful heroes in order to implement the words of Allah: [The companions] 'are tough against the infidels and merciful among themselves.' We … motivate the students, to wage jihad, for the sake of Allah, and we instill love for Allah and His Prophet in the souls of our sons
Hamas spokesman at a 'summer camp' for kids. The Quran verse referenced is 48:29
"Our campaign against the Jews is a purely ideological Islamic campaign.
Islamic State magazine A-Naba' shortly after a March, 2022 murder spree
"My labeling is Islam only. Do not include me in any faction, organization or party because I am Muslim and that is enough for me."
Suicide note from Kamal Mahmoud Abu Bakr, a Palestinian terrorist source
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I'm flattered you would give me so much credit.
Yes I was focused on a particular line from our original exchange.,PennEd said this...
I read that and said, no there were not several thousand Jews taken hostage. Hamas listed 204 hostages. According to Israel, at least 250 additional individuals were captured on the first day of the war, but rescued that day. But that's it.
This is where the number came from. And then we got into a back and forth about slaughter of innocent, where I compared the number of innocent Jews (still focused on the hostage number) to innocent palestinians to make a point that it's not even close to the numbers of the Holocaust and not close to the number of innocent lives lost of palestinians...and yet not many are concerned about palestinian lives as they are Jew lives. Thus I said...
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To be sure, October 7th death count is currently at 1,163 people, and not all of them were killed by hamas. Israeli army also killed many of their own people while trying to take out hamas fighters.
Yes I was focused on a particular line from our original exchange.,PennEd said this...
I read that and said, no there were not several thousand Jews taken hostage. Hamas listed 204 hostages. According to Israel, at least 250 additional individuals were captured on the first day of the war, but rescued that day. But that's it.
This is where the number came from. And then we got into a back and forth about slaughter of innocent, where I compared the number of innocent Jews (still focused on the hostage number) to innocent palestinians to make a point that it's not even close to the numbers of the Holocaust and not close to the number of innocent lives lost of palestinians...and yet not many are concerned about palestinian lives as they are Jew lives. Thus I said...
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To be sure, October 7th death count is currently at 1,163 people, and not all of them were killed by hamas. Israeli army also killed many of their own people while trying to take out hamas fighters.
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Killing for the cause of Islam has been going on since the inception of Islam. It is mandated.
This is part of the list of killings in the name of Islam maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.
Most of these incidents are terror attacks. A handful are honor killings or Sharia executions.
During the last 30 days, there were 123 Islamic attacks in 24 countries, in which 433 people were killed and 204 injured.
This goes on day after day, month after month, year after year. The list is kept updated =>
List of Islamic Terror Attacks (thereligionofpeace.com)
This is part of the list of killings in the name of Islam maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.
Most of these incidents are terror attacks. A handful are honor killings or Sharia executions.
During the last 30 days, there were 123 Islamic attacks in 24 countries, in which 433 people were killed and 204 injured.
This goes on day after day, month after month, year after year. The list is kept updated =>
List of Islamic Terror Attacks (thereligionofpeace.com)
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