Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Cameron143

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Truth/reality displaces bias, the problem is the world is a complex place and it is not always easy to get to the full facts on an issue.

This is just emotional once again because it is about Trump.

This emotional rhetoric (in general on YouTube etc.,) and binary thinking is sooo problematic on both sides.
One can and should have a bias towards truth. Emotions sometimes get in the way.
 

HeIsHere

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One can and should have a bias towards truth. Emotions sometimes get in the way.

I understand your point for sure. I prefer "uphold" the truth.

Off topic, but I have a very emotional response to the idea of the Nephilim as angels procreating with women, I find the whole idea ludicrous, I have never really researched it in any depth, decided I do not care to, and I wish the whole idea would go away!

So I know I have a bias, and I like it that way! LOL
 

HeIsHere

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Nah, not really. Like I said, you can't vote Trump, ok, but you can vote Biden, I got questions. But if you say you can't vote Trump, Christians are wrong for voting Trump but you're voting Biden, now you're being a hypocrite. I just call em as I see em. I'm a pretty straight forward person.
The problem is both party are completely corrupt, I think there is one Republican who is not, so perhaps voting is being a hypocrite!
:p:unsure:

Yes I think I might order the book, I have the money just need to find the time.:D
I am curious how he deals with the abortion issue as he has a whole chapter on it.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I understand your point for sure. I prefer "uphold" the truth.

Off topic, but I have a very emotional response to the idea of the Nephilim as angels procreating with women, I find the whole idea ludicrous, I have never really researched it in any depth, decided I do not care to, and I wish the whole idea would go away!

So I know I have a bias, and I like it that way! LOL
Ok, now you've given me something to ponder. Never thought deeply on that before. Maybe you need to start a thread about it.
 

Cameron143

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I understand your point for sure. I prefer "uphold" the truth.

Off topic, but I have a very emotional response to the idea of the Nephilim as angels procreating with women, I find the whole idea ludicrous, I have never really researched it in any depth, decided I do not care to, and I wish the whole idea would go away!

So I know I have a bias, and I like it that way! LOL
Just so you know, in Genesis, God made it clear that things can only produce after their own kind. I don't believe angels can reproduce, but even if they could, they couldn't reproduce with humans.
 

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The problem is both party are completely corrupt, I think there is one Republican who is not, so perhaps voting is being a hypocrite!
:p:unsure:

Yes I think I might order the book, I have the money just need to find the time.:D
I am curious how he deals with the abortion issue as he has a whole chapter on it.
There, to me, is the immediate flaw in voting for Biden. Anyone who votes for any Democrat has voted for abortion. All moral high ground is immediately surrendered at that point.
 
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Look, I'm just trying to inject a bit of humour into this thread: So, what about, if we rename the Title of this Thread to Read:

"Could Trump do anything to make you START supporting him?"

Just a thought!!

Carry On!!
 

rrcn

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Just so you know, in Genesis, God made it clear that things can only produce after their own kind. I don't believe angels can reproduce, but even if they could, they couldn't reproduce with humans.
Jesus clarified that as well:
[Mar 12:23-25 KJV] 23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. 24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Does anyone ever wonder why the Father, Son and Holy Spirit created mankind?
 

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There, to me, is the immediate flaw in voting for Biden. Anyone who votes for any Democrat has voted for abortion. All moral high ground is immediately surrendered at that point.
I personally cannot understand how any Christian can support the Democrats at this point in time, but I know that people can reason through things and rationalize, it does mean we should be calling them hypocrites.

I think we look at their position, steel up their argument and offer a rebuttal.

You see I could say the same thing about the moral high ground in terms of sending arms to kill innocent civilians.
You may not agree but I believe I have a very reasoned factual basis for my position as to why it is immoral.

I do not know what is going to happen but my instinct is, it is not good.
Christians are the salt of the earth, there needs to be a balance, there is a lot we can accomplish outside of politics for good.
I read some posts on Twitter and the blind veneration, adulation for Trump it is not good, so I can understand why a pastor would want to sound the alarm.
 

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I personally cannot understand how any Christian can support the Democrats at this point in time, but I know that people can reason through things and rationalize, it does mean we should be calling them hypocrites.

I think we look at their position, steel up their argument and offer a rebuttal.

You see I could say the same thing about the moral high ground in terms of sending arms to kill innocent civilians.
You may not agree but I believe I have a very reasoned factual basis for my position as to why it is immoral.

I do not know what is going to happen but my instinct is, it is not good.
Christians are the salt of the earth, there needs to be a balance, there is a lot we can accomplish outside of politics for good.
I read some posts on Twitter and the blind veneration, adulation for Trump it is not good, so I can understand why a pastor would want to sound the alarm.
You make good points, but I'm always a bottom line guy. If something is broken, you figure out the best way to fix it and do it. And generally, the sooner, the better. In positions where there are no good answers, choose the best. Doing nothing only exacerbates the problem and foments greater outcry and rage.
I also think many Christians become conflicted when there appears to be only bad and worse solutions. It need not be. We have the mind of Christ and should be wiser than the children of darkness in our generation. We need more sons of Issachar who understand the times we live in.
 
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Pastor Pat Kahnke, a retired evangelical pastor has a YouTube channel named CULTURE, FAITH AND POLITICS. In the last few months he has posted a series of short videos called “A Christian Case Against Trump”. you can see all of them at this link:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL03_W2fTQOtesdk9rb5FNSz52ZLk2Ka5t&si=0bPW1mu4oBQ-m_PQ
Pat Kahnke is a former pastor and an evangelical but who has never voted for Donald Trump for president and has been putting out many videos in a systematic way that explain why it is so bad and dangerous for the Christian community to vote for the defendant. Pat Kahnke voted for President Biden in 2020 and will vote for President Biden in the 2024 presidential election as well. Prior to Donald Trump, he voted exclusively for the Republican candidate in every election except when the Republican Party's candidate was pro-choice and the Democratic Party's candidate was forced birther. He has moderated his stance a good deal on choice although almost all of us would differ with him on that one issue. He has put out about fifteen of these videos. source *

well I looked up Pat Kahnke and it seems he is a very prejudiced and angry individual who, without actual merit, and no doubt a holdover from his days as Pastor, seems to expect others to simply and blindly choose him as their paragon of truth, all others being liars or ignorant (surely a sin twice as bad as what destroyed the cities of the plain back in the good ole days. (OT)

For example, his renderings regarding Trump encouraged another pastor to respond in what is actually a decent rebuttal...(posting that at the end of this post)

Mr. Kahnke, apparently not in the best of humor, said this: The MAGA pastor's post is insane in my view. I despise even reading and typing it.

So a few things here.

Mr. Kahnke has attracted the admiration of the left. That alone should stall normal people in their tracks. In no way, shape or form is Donald Trump the ideal candidate in the sense of the political arena while Biden is a demi-god in the same sense. ( and no I did not mispell demigogue). He has been on the scene since cutting his teeth on the gavel held by Nancy, that individual of some fame due to her skill at insider trading and he is best known for entertaining stories about his past and proficiency in lying. One wishes he might have been at the same location and time in which his uncle was consumed by cannibals but I digress.

Mr Kahnke is appealing to his audience, who by this time, expect vitriol and exclamation regarding anything to do with Trump or Maga, which, seriously, is a term that by this point in time, could seriously be the rallying cry of most of America. However that acronym has become forever associated with Trump and must therefore be spat on, hated on and otherwise deemed demonic with a furor matching only the Nights Templar in their quest for the Holy Grail.

That same audience, whom it seems has surrendered their autonomy to Mr Kahnke, has learned that it is ok to hate and spread that same hatred within their own circles and by so doing, encourage more of what Mr Kahnke has to offer.

Let me quote a well known entertainer at this point in response: DON'T

It seems many believe that a valid response to Trump is to vote for an individual who is no longer quite cognizant but, thankfully, can still pick out which flavor of ice cream he wants.

So, if voting for a platform that exists, not on the merit of the last three and half years, but on abortion for all, free citizenship after illegally crossing the border, a Reich consisting of Democrats and their allies, freedom to express your inner self by stealing from others, hating certain minorities within society and many other acts of irresponsible and downright demonic and anti-Biblical (no less while admitting to once holding the position of Pastor) sentiments, then have at it.

But remember, you were at one time told the truth. Hold on to it because if the Democrats retain their unlawful hold on this country, truth will become punishable by law the lie will be upheld. You will most likely also be told to burn your Bible.

response from Pastor who DID NOT identify as a 'Maga Pastor"
Sir, with all due respect, I think you are the one that is causing people to be depressed. The president is not our pastor. Donald Trump from what I know is not a Christian (sic) however, compared to Joe Biden, this is literally good versus evil, freedom versus Communism. You are judging Donald Trump as if he is a pastor and a Christian. When it comes to who we elect, we must elect the person, who promotes the right values for America. Such as law and order, close borders, freedom of religion, strong economy, strength through power just the name of a few (sic). I listen to a few minutes of you and you made me totally sick.

* Daily Kos is a fervent Democratic blog, publishing nonsense such as Donald Trump is responsible for the border and various other delightful tales from the left
 

cv5

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It's 110% comparable! He's not a novice, he knows what Biden believes and his character as much as he knows Trumps. I don't need to read his book, go to his Youtube page, he's got it all there.
And I take it not one word about the election steal via a vis the Bidenista mob?
 

rrcn

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Pat Kahnke is a former pastor and an evangelical but who has never voted for Donald Trump for president and has been putting out many videos in a systematic way that explain why it is so bad and dangerous for the Christian community to vote for the defendant. Pat Kahnke voted for President Biden in 2020 and will vote for President Biden in the 2024 presidential election as well. Prior to Donald Trump, he voted exclusively for the Republican candidate in every election except when the Republican Party's candidate was pro-choice and the Democratic Party's candidate was forced birther. He has moderated his stance a good deal on choice although almost all of us would differ with him on that one issue. He has put out about fifteen of these videos. source *

well I looked up Pat Kahnke and it seems he is a very prejudiced and angry individual who, without actual merit, and no doubt a holdover from his days as Pastor, seems to expect others to simply and blindly choose him as their paragon of truth, all others being liars or ignorant (surely a sin twice as bad as what destroyed the cities of the plain back in the good ole days. (OT)

For example, his renderings regarding Trump encouraged another pastor to respond in what is actually a decent rebuttal...(posting that at the end of this post)

Mr. Kahnke, apparently not in the best of humor, said this: The MAGA pastor's post is insane in my view. I despise even reading and typing it.

So a few things here.

Mr. Kahnke has attracted the admiration of the left. That alone should stall normal people in their tracks. In no way, shape or form is Donald Trump the ideal candidate in the sense of the political arena while Biden is a demi-god in the same sense. ( and no I did not mispell demigogue). He has been on the scene since cutting his teeth on the gavel held by Nancy, that individual of some fame due to her skill at insider trading and he is best known for entertaining stories about his past and proficiency in lying. One wishes he might have been at the same location and time in which his uncle was consumed by cannibals but I digress.

Mr Kahnke is appealing to his audience, who by this time, expect vitriol and exclamation regarding anything to do with Trump or Maga, which, seriously, is a term that by this point in time, could seriously be the rallying cry of most of America. However that acronym has become forever associated with Trump and must therefore be spat on, hated on and otherwise deemed demonic with a furor matching only the Nights Templar in their quest for the Holy Grail.

That same audience, whom it seems has surrendered their autonomy to Mr Kahnke, has learned that it is ok to hate and spread that same hatred within their own circles and by so doing, encourage more of what Mr Kahnke has to offer.

Let me quote a well known entertainer at this point in response: DON'T

It seems many believe that a valid response to Trump is to vote for an individual who is no longer quite cognizant but, thankfully, can still pick out which flavor of ice cream he wants.

So, if voting for a platform that exists, not on the merit of the last three and half years, but on abortion for all, free citizenship after illegally crossing the border, a Reich consisting of Democrats and their allies, freedom to express your inner self by stealing from others, hating certain minorities within society and many other acts of irresponsible and downright demonic and anti-Biblical (no less while admitting to once holding the position of Pastor) sentiments, then have at it.

But remember, you were at one time told the truth. Hold on to it because if the Democrats retain their unlawful hold on this country, truth will become punishable by law the lie will be upheld. You will most likely also be told to burn your Bible.

response from Pastor who DID NOT identify as a 'Maga Pastor"
Sir, with all due respect, I think you are the one that is causing people to be depressed. The president is not our pastor. Donald Trump from what I know is not a Christian (sic) however, compared to Joe Biden, this is literally good versus evil, freedom versus Communism. You are judging Donald Trump as if he is a pastor and a Christian. When it comes to who we elect, we must elect the person, who promotes the right values for America. Such as law and order, close borders, freedom of religion, strong economy, strength through power just the name of a few (sic). I listen to a few minutes of you and you made me totally sick.

* Daily Kos is a fervent Democratic blog, publishing nonsense such as Donald Trump is responsible for the border and various other delightful tales from the left
Let the Pastor reply:

 
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Let the Pastor reply:

How about you? Just letting the 'pastor' reply on your behalf? You just proved my post to be true.

I don't follow ex pastors and I have my own brain/discernment

I'm not a maga republican. if anything I would be a libertarian but I would certainly vote for Trump if I was able to vote
 

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This “trial” has been from beginning to end a complete and total sham, a mockery of the criminal justice system, and one of the most dangerous abuses of our political process in American history
 
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Josh Hawley
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This “trial” has been from beginning to end a complete and total sham, a mockery of the criminal justice system, and one of the most dangerous abuses of our political process in American history
I don't expect most people would avail themselves of the facts since it is so much easier to parrot others

God help this country and all the 'good' Christian folk who seem to have lost the abilities to reason and discern
 

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Aaannnd there we have it.

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LAWFARE: While judges in New York criminal trials are theoretically supposed to be randomly selected, it is statistically improbable (1 in over 15,000) for Acting Justice Juan Merchan to be assigned all three Trump-related trials by chance.

In reality, these cases were assigned by Ellen N. Biben, the Administrative Judge of the New York County Supreme Court, Criminal Term.

Biben, a lifelong Democrat with a history at Sullivan & Cromwell, has the authority to assign specific cases to judges with specialized experience. Notably, before being appointed as an Acting Justice, Merchan had limited experience, having served less than three years in a Bronx family court.

It raises questions about whether his 'specialized experience' might be influenced by his daughter’s role as a prominent Democrat fundraiser in New York.