Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[HeIsHere]

Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

It is a deceit used by those who are wimpy. They know they can't stand with the Democrats and still be standing with Jesus, so they say they aren't. But look at them, they are clearly not with the Lord, they are clearly not gathering, and net result is to scatter. Divide and conquer, just give believers one more reason why they should be divided and not united.

Wow, so true!

 

[ZNP]

Was there a reason given as to why? Did hunters just want an easy kill or was the protection given to the bears destroying the ecological balances in ecosystems? Would killing the bears during hibernation be more humane? Would it be safer?
I assume that most are against the wanton killing of any animal. And if that was the purpose, I join you in your dissent. But if there is purpose to the decision, you should in good conscience have shared that too.

This is for Alaska, so we aren't talking about black bears, we are talking about Polar bears and Grizzlies. Imagine a town is terrorized by Polar bears or grizzlies? I visited a summer camp once where the black bears wandered through at night. We were warned but no one was attacked. Polar bears and Grizzlies would be a whole different story.

It seems to me this is for people of Alaska to decide.

 

[Cameron143]

This is for Alaska, so we aren't talking about black bears, we are talking about Polar bears and Grizzlies. Imagine a town is terrorized by Polar bears or grizzlies? I visited a summer camp once where the black bears wandered through at night. We were warned but no one was attacked. Polar bears and Grizzlies would be a whole different story.

It seems to me this is for people of Alaska to decide.

I appreciate the information. I suspected there was more to the story.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Politics will never be black and white, we have to support as Christians what we know is in the best interest of the country overall.

It really is not that hard to understand.

You know when the Dems pushed to take God's name out of their platform, that should have been the end for Christians. There should have been no question beyond that.

 

[ZNP]

repealing the ban on shooting hibernating bears.

Why are you against this? Do you live in Alaska? All this does is say the Federal government can't dictate to people in Alaska what to do about Grizzlies and Polar bears. Why should people in Florida and Alabama and Louisianna be telling those in Alaska what to do about Grizzlies and Polar bears?

 

[Niki7]

No, it was not just trump. But he is the subject of this thread.

But you're right, the Clintons, the Obummers, the Bushes, Pelosi, McConnel, the whole kit n caboodle of them have been marching us down the road to destruction.

But then again, God told us thousands of years ago it would get this way. That's not something that happens on just one man's watch.

But be not deceived, trump is yet another stepping stone on that path.

Well, the op was started by someone who is a never Trumper so it was always going to be about Trump is the worst thing ever, which is certainly not true

Thing is, Christians should not just pray, but fast and pray as the Bible indicates and Jesus told us we should do

We find history itself changed course when we look into the results of fasting throughout scripture. These people, Trump included, are not godly and they are not ever going to live up to what some Christians imagine they should.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why are you against this? Do you live in Alaska? All this does is say the Federal government can't dictate to people in Alaska what to do about Grizzlies and Polar bears. Why should people in Florida and Alabama and Louisianna be telling those in Alaska what to do about Grizzlies and Polar bears?

If I read it correctly he supported Trump on repealing the ban.

 

[Niki7]

flip?

It has always been spiritual, and that's why Christianianity should never be mixed with secular politics. look at history, this is how we got popes in the west and how emperors appointed bishops and decided doctrine in the east.




The very fact that you immediately put me in some 'D party' box in your brain when I point out that your pop idol is a liar, is evidence that you don't even think of these things in terms of Christianity at all, but in terms of purely worldly politics.

you've completely lost the gospel and become instead a 'republican'

That's the problem.

I say flip to you personally because I have read many of your posts over the years and you will go one way or the other depending on what note you want to strike. Thing is, we are not living in a spiritual plane and must therefore deal with the physical. So, that is what we do while fighting spiritual enemies.

Do you vote Democrat or possibly not vote at all? I have never seen you write one positive word about the GOP but you do seem to prefer the Democrats as can be seen in this thread. Oh you might say it is Trump you do not care for, but as I said, I'm not a newcomer to the forum....been here and left a couple of times.

As far as Christianity and politics go, perhaps remember the story of Esther in the Bible. We can see the victory over the physical when the spiritual is addressed through fasting and prayer. As I said, we are not living in a spiritual dimension.

The very fact that you immediately put me in some 'D party' box in your brain when I point out that your pop idol is a liar, is evidence that you don't even think of these things in terms of Christianity at all, but in terms of purely worldly politics.

you've completely lost the gospel and become instead a 'republican'

That's the problem

I have no idols but I do have a king. You sound like a died in the wool Democrat grasping at a lifesaver. I cannot stand politics actually but only contribute to threads like this because of the polarization which it seems you are quite capable of illustrating.

If anyone would care to look up my posts, they would find that while I might add funny images or personal comments, I will always point to GOD and not to a false demigod.

That being said, the current Democrat regime is wicked and serves the devil. The GOP with its many problems is truly nowhere near what the current party occupying the WH is doing. I am sure I do not need to list what is going on and the fact you seem to just overlook all of that in order to trash Trump is both alarming and very telling.

 

[Niki7]

Well of course. However, it is not Trump that put this country in decline.

Your response is really just a non-sequitur

You are simply wanting to trash Trump and the GOP with him Seedtime. Why is that exactly? I didn't even comment on a response but you disagree.

Perhaps you do not know what non-sequitur means?

 

[Niki7]

When It comes to Donald Trump,I think him wanting to make America Great again vs whether or not he really cares about America and not just wanting to be King CAN be exclusive.

If they find him guilty of trying to steal the election,I think that will prove that he WAS being exclusive and not really thinking about making America Great again.

I am asking you again.

WHICH ELECTION? If you are going to put x's or who cares faces on my posts at least have the wherewithal to state why.

If you actually have a reason besides the fact I am making too much sense and you do not care for that

 

[Niki7]

what ever happened to " innocent until proven guilty"??

or, take it up a notch, " do not judge a matter until you hear a matter".

You can do that when you do not have an agenda like the op or the current admin.

Which I am sure you know

There might be a case of the truth hurts going on here

 

[Tall_Timbers]

This is for Alaska, so we aren't talking about black bears, we are talking about Polar bears and Grizzlies. Imagine a town is terrorized by Polar bears or grizzlies? I visited a summer camp once where the black bears wandered through at night. We were warned but no one was attacked. Polar bears and Grizzlies would be a whole different story.

It seems to me this is for people of Alaska to decide.

Alaska's black bears are more likely to attack a human for food than grizzlies. Polar bear encounters are more rare since most of hte population is in areas where polar bears don't tread. Grizzlies are more likely to go after a human just because the human has trespassed into its territory.

 

[ZNP]

Alaska's black bears are more likely to attack a human for food than grizzlies. Polar bear encounters are more rare since most of hte population is in areas where polar bears don't tread. Grizzlies are more likely to go after a human just because the human has trespassed into its territory.

The fact is that the federal government is composed of 50 states, 49 of which do not have the issues that Alaskans have with bears, whether they be black, Grizzly or Polar bear. The fact is also that a Polar bear or Grizzly bear is a very scary animal. It is perfectly reasonable for Alaskans to not want 49 states telling them what to do about this threat. It is also hard to see how the other 49 states have a compelling interest in this.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I am asking you again.

WHICH ELECTION? If you are going to put x's or who cares faces on my posts at least have the wherewithal to state why.

If you actually have a reason besides the fact I am making too much sense and you do not care for that

Take It easy Niki7 It's just my feelings emoji about your post and when you say which election,I'm not sure what you mean because as for as I kmow,there was only one election that Donald Trump said was stolen.

If you put an x on this post,that just means that you disagree with what I said and I'll accept It and move on.

 

[ZNP]

Take It easy Niki7 It's just my feelings emoji about your post and when you say which election,I'm not sure what you mean because as for as I kmow,there was only one election that Donald Trump said was stolen.

If you put an x on this post,that just means that you disagree with what I said and I'll accept It and move on.

But what about all the elections the democrats said were stolen?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

But what about all the elections the democrats said were stolen?

Can you list a few that they are SPEAKING about today?🤔

 

[posthuman]

Was there a reason given as to why? Did hunters just want an easy kill or was the protection given to the bears destroying the ecological balances in ecosystems? Would killing the bears during hibernation be more humane? Would it be safer?
I assume that most are against the wanton killing of any animal. And if that was the purpose, I join you in your dissent. But if there is purpose to the decision, you should in good conscience have shared that too.

The Obama administration banned the practice as inhumane. typically the hibernating mother is killed and the cubs die of starvation.
Trump repealed the ban because he wanted to undo anything and everything Obama did. this was part of his flurry of executive orders in his first week of office, mostly repeals of Obama administration rules.

The repealed ban also allows trophy hunters to kill hibernating wolves & shoot swimming caribou from motorboats.

 

[Cameron143]

The Obama administration banned the practice as inhumane. typically the hibernating mother is killed and the cubs die of starvation.
Trump repealed the ban because he wanted to undo anything and everything Obama did. this was part of his flurry of executive orders in his first week of office, mostly repeals of Obama administration rules.

The repealed ban also allows trophy hunters to kill hibernating wolves & shoot swimming caribou from motorboats.

Your argument would carry more weight if you didn't characterize Trump's behavior while making your points.
I've known lots of hunters. They are largely ecologically sensitive and kill only what they consume and that which poses danger. It is in the hunter's interest to preserve and conserve a source of food or income.
Trophy hunting should be outlawed in my opinion and prosecuted. But ultimately, it should be a local and state matter.
Incidentally, I was glad Trump did away with so many of Obama's executive orders. Obama did much by executive order because he couldn't get it done through legislation. If the ideas are wanted by the American people, legislation is the way the constitution prescribes.

 

[ZNP]

Can you list a few that they are SPEAKING about today?🤔

stacy Abram has never once conceded defeat, Hillary started the #notmypresident after 2016, she was much more strident at denying the 2020 results before they were even out, and of course there are more examples than just this.

 

[ZNP]

The Obama administration banned the practice as inhumane. typically the hibernating mother is killed and the cubs die of starvation.
Trump repealed the ban because he wanted to undo anything and everything Obama did. this was part of his flurry of executive orders in his first week of office, mostly repeals of Obama administration rules.

The repealed ban also allows trophy hunters to kill hibernating wolves & shoot swimming caribou from motorboats.

No, it does not do anything of the kind, this is total BS. What it does is allow Alaska to make their own laws concerning hunting.