Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I still think that Paul was creating theology about Jesus from his own ideas over Jesus's words and the scripture. What makes Paul so convincing is that he makes Christ the centerpiece of Christianity, but if you go back to the previous verse to what you quoted, he wrote this:

"According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it."
— 1 Corinthians 3:10

Then, in the next verse, which you quoted, he says Jesus is that foundation. But clearly Paul takes credit for laying the foundation.

Well which is greater: the foundation, or the architect of the foundation?

Clearly Paul put himself before Jesus.

Bear with me now, let's go back a little further again. Here's what Paul says to his listeners they are still worldly...


4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?

5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.

7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God,

8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

I am getting worn down by so many people uniting against me here. I can't address every point made.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I don't mind waiting in line.

 

[BrianMeir]

Bear with me now, let's go back a little further again. Here's what Paul says to his listeners they are still worldly...


4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?

5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.

7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God,

8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.




I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I don't mind waiting in line.

Sure, I can respond to this. I think when Paul says that he planted the seed, he is taking credit for the origination of the gospel message. In this passage he never gave Jesus of Nazareth credit for any teaching.

 

[cv5]

Sure, I can respond to this. I think when Paul says that he planted the seed, he is taking credit for the origination of the gospel message. In this passage he never gave Jesus of Nazareth credit for any teaching.

What?

Paul clearly credited Jesus with TUTORING PAUL personally. In other words.....Jesus Himself was planting the seed of the gospel message into Paul by teaching HIM everything. Which Paul then spoke accordingly and accurately. And codified it.

You are full of it buddy.

 

[BrianMeir]

What?

Paul clearly credited Jesus with TUTORING PAUL personally. In other words.....Jesus Himself was planting the seed of the gospel message into Paul by teaching HIM everything. Which Paul then spoke accordingly and accurately. And codified it.

You are full of it buddy.

I suppose the crux of Paul's validity comes from whether or not you believe this. You are saying that when Paul lived in the desert 3 years, that Jesus personally and exclusively taught Paul a new theology that Paul then became responsible for codifying. Well, we have Paul's word for it. Which is equal in value to Mohammed's word that he received personal revelation from Gabriel, and Joseph Smith's word that he received personal revelation from Moroni.

Don't be an idiot. You can't trust everything one person says based on their own personal claim that Jesus revealed their message exclusively to them. Especially when the divine being giving the revelation is not in flesh.

 

[cv5]

Don't be an idiot. You can't trust everything one person says based on their own personal claim that Jesus revealed their message exclusively to them. Especially when the divine being giving the revelation is not in flesh.

Don't be a wretched apostate. Paul's God given miraculous power to heal and raise the dead was known far and wide by a vast cloud of witnesses, beyond all refutation. Along with an unimpeachable multi decade ministry.

Furthermore every word Paul wrote was in perfect accord with Yahwehs Old Testament, and earthly ministry.

You think you're a wiseguy bub? You think that you are deceiving people around these parts?
Noooooo, but I think you're making a fool of yourself. I pledge my happy assistance in making you a greater one.

 

[ZNP]

Don't be an idiot. You can't trust everything one person says based on their own personal claim that Jesus revealed their message exclusively to them. Especially when the divine being giving the revelation is not in flesh.

Don't be an idiot, you can take BrianMeir's word for it or you can take the testimony of James, John, and Peter who all testified that Paul was speaking the word of God.

Decisions, decisions, who to believe? Brian 100% believes Fauci, and Biden, and he equates Paul with Mohammeds claims and with Joseph Smith's claims.

On the other hand we have Peter, James, John, Jude, Luke and Mark who all were either coworkers of Paul's or wrote letters attesting to Paul.

 

[Mem]

Sure, I can respond to this. I think when Paul says that he planted the seed, he is taking credit for the origination of the gospel message. In this passage he never gave Jesus of Nazareth credit for any teaching.

Paul points to Jesus, saying, "Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;" (eph2;20)
I'm no builder but, isn't the chief cornerstone the first and foremost to be 'established?

 

[BrianMeir]

Don't be a wretched apostate. Paul's God given miraculous power to heal and raise the dead was known far and wide by a vast cloud of witnesses, beyond all refutation. Along with an unimpeachable multi decade ministry.

Furthermore every word Paul wrote was in perfect accord with Yahwehs Old Testament, and earthly ministry.

You think you're a wiseguy bub? You think that you are deceiving people around these parts?
Noooooo, but I think you're making a fool of yourself. I pledge my happy assistance in making you a greater one.

Okay, about Paul's words being in perfect accord with the Tanukh, that's incredibly false. Paul was extremely vocal about rejecting law and tradition of the Jews.

Secondly, about his miraculous power and ministry, consider this:
"And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life."— Revelation 13:14
The lesson here is, you cannot validate a prophet based on their power alone. You have to examine their message: whom are they supporting.

Thirdly,

You continue to personally attack me.

 

[BrianMeir]

Paul points to Jesus, saying, "Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;" (eph2;20)
I'm no builder but, isn't the chief cornerstone the first and foremost to be 'established?

Hi Mem,
Finally, an intelligent answer.
This is a good verse to support Paul.
Unfortunately, it doesn't negate the other bad verses Paul wrote glorifying himself.
So very good response, just not enough to counter all the evidence I have discovered.
Sincerely, Brian

 

[cv5]

You continue to personally attack me.

Don't blame me because you happen to enjoy your role as a masochist.

 

[BrianMeir]

Don't blame me because you happen to enjoy your role as a masochist.

Would you say that to Jesus?

 

[cv5]

Would you say that to Jesus?

Of course not. I would only say it to an apostate masochist.

 

[ZNP]

Of course not. I would only say it to an apostate masochist.

This is getting absurd, he rejects 26/27 of the NT and equates comments on his posts to comments made against Jesus' word. He calls Paul a liar for saying he was taught by Jesus, and calls anyone who believes Paul's letters are the word of God "an idiot". Yet for some reason he keeps pretending he is the one who is being attacked. This could be the effect of being fully vaccinated. So far we have only suspected the vaccine may be having a very dangerous impact on the cognitive abilities but this may be the proof we have been looking for.

 

[cv5]

This is getting absurd, he rejects 26/27 of the NT and equates comments on his posts to comments made against Jesus' word. He calls Paul a liar for saying he was taught by Jesus, and calls anyone who believes Paul's letters are the word of God "an idiot". Yet for some reason he keeps pretending he is the one who is being attacked. This could be the effect of being fully vaccinated. So far we have only suspected the vaccine may be having a very dangerous impact on the cognitive abilities but this may be the proof we have been looking for.

Oh it gets much worse than that. @BrianMeir is crystal clear in postulating that Paul's miraculous power came from Satan, then compares Paul to the Antichrist.

And then he says that he is being attacked when he is accused of being an apostate.

Let's hope the crazy train makes another whistlestop soon. Maybe he will feel inclined to jump back onboard and sell his snake oil in some other backwater hicktown.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Sure, I can respond to this. I think when Paul says that he planted the seed, he is taking credit for the origination of the gospel message. In this passage he never gave Jesus of Nazareth credit for any teaching.

Let's read it once more...

5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.

7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God,

8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

I'm going to make this personal, for me. I was in ministry for 20yrs. I traveled in Canada and the US. I could say as Paul I "planted the seed", the pastor of the church watered it, God caused it to grow. Each part had a purpose, God enabled one to plant, one to water, but nothing happens unless God causes the growth. Our efforts are in vain.

I was only a servant, as Paul says, I went where God opened the door. Co-workers with God to spread the Good News to the lost. None of what I said gives credit to me, just a servant. A servant knows their place, they know they aren't the master. Paul knew who he was in Christ. Yes, he was bold, once he had been a murderer of Christians. But he was so changed in his conversion, he never forgot who he had been.

 

[tourist]

Would you say that to Jesus?

He's the guy with the beard, right?

 

[ZNP]

Oh it gets much worse than that. @BrianMeir is crystal clear in postulating that Paul's miraculous power came from Satan, then compares Paul to the Antichrist.

And then he says that he is being attacked when he is accused of being an apostate.

Let's hope the crazy train makes another whistlestop soon. Maybe he will feel inclined to jump back onboard and sell his snake oil in some other backwater hicktown.

Why is it that they attack Paul?

Is it because he says the overseer must be the husband of one wife?

Is it because he tells us

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[PennEd]

I believe Jesus is the representation of God

Is Jesus Christ God Himself in the flesh?

 

[PennEd]

Did Paul love Jesus? He never ever claimed to.

So much for THIS accusation against Christ's chosen Apostle, Paul.

1 Corinthians 16:22-23
New King James Version
22 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!
23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

I suppose the crux of Paul's validity comes from whether or not you believe this. You are saying that when Paul lived in the desert 3 years, that Jesus personally and exclusively taught Paul a new theology that Paul then became responsible for codifying. Well, we have Paul's word for it. Which is equal in value to Mohammed's word that he received personal revelation from Gabriel, and Joseph Smith's word that he received personal revelation from Moroni.

Don't be an idiot. You can't trust everything one person says based on their own personal claim that Jesus revealed their message exclusively to them. Especially when the divine being giving the revelation is not in flesh.

Hello Brian, are you referring to these passages ;

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold,he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
or this one,
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Blessings.