Next Big Debate, Obergefell v. Hodges, Gay Marriage

[JohnDB]

Not anymore.
It was illegal up until 1962. Most state laws criminalizing it were rescinded by then. It was only in 2003 that all 50 States decriminalized homosexuality [i.e sodomy laws].

Which these rights need to be returned to the states.
This was decided by SCOTUS decision using the same arguments as Roe v Wade....and it will toss all rights of marriage back to the states.

And it's a good thing to return marriage rights back to the states....the fed gov does not preside over marriage, divorce, or annulment. Well currently 2 out of three.

It used to be reasonable to not issue insurance policies to homosexuals on the grounds of "Moral Turpitude" .

Wish we could go back to those days.

 

[PennEd]

We could spend all day on hyperbole and conjecture. I thought we were discussing US law as it is.

In the kingdom of God, homosexuality is a demonic perversion. In the US it is state of being protected by law.

Umm. In case you didn’t know, it was absurd conjecture and hyperbole to think two guys could marry not too dang long ago.

Now what would prevent two brothers from “marrying”?

 

[Bluesproverb]

Of course.

To note: in the kingdom of God the Son is the standard of righteousness.
in the kingdom of the US, the people are the standard of righteousness. That is why it has never been nor will it ever be the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God is spread across earth now.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Which these rights need to be returned to the states.
This was decided by SCOTUS decision using the same arguments as Roe v Wade....and it will toss all rights of marriage back to the states.

And it's a good thing to return marriage rights back to the states....the fed gov does not preside over marriage, divorce, or annulment. Well currently 2 out of three.

It used to be reasonable to not issue insurance policies to homosexuals on the grounds of "Moral Turpitude" .

Wish we could go back to those days.

SCOTUS already vacated Obergefell v. Hodges?

 

[JohnDB]

SCOTUS already vacated Obergefell v. Hodges?

No....but the 2003 Sodomy ruling paved the way for that ruling. One plays off the other. If sodomy is outlawed again in some states, same sex marriage goes with it being outlawed as well.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

They have rights under U.S. law. Unlike pedophilia, homosexuality is not a crime in the U. S.

Yes before this decision it was a crime. It was considered a crime against nature.

Crime against nature is generally an umbrella term encompassing sexual offenses that are unnatural or "contrary to the order of nature." Some jurisdictions have codified laws against the individual offenses. For example, California originally used the term " the infamous crime against nature ," to describe both sodomy and bestiality.

In fact when the equality clause in the 14th Amendment was adopted it was illegal in all states.

So what made the court use in past precedence to legalize gay marriage? Nothing. They see the Constitution as a progressive document that can be molded and shaped to current opinions.

That is not how the Constitution works. Judges should only interpret the law based on past arguments and judgements. Not on personal opinion.

That is taking the rights of the people in their elected congressional leaders away and legislating from the bench.

This should of been enough to remove them from office.

Human rights are God given as our laws have said. No God given right allows gay marriage.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Which these rights need to be returned to the states.
This was decided by SCOTUS decision using the same arguments as Roe v Wade....and it will toss all rights of marriage back to the states.

And it's a good thing to return marriage rights back to the states....the fed gov does not preside over marriage, divorce, or annulment. Well currently 2 out of three.

It used to be reasonable to not issue insurance policies to homosexuals on the grounds of "Moral Turpitude" .

Wish we could go back to those days.

I see both abortion and lgbt marriage should be outlawed on a federal and state level. Just like the 2nd Amendment should be protected by both, both should protect society from abortion and lgbt marriages.

 

[Bluesproverb]

No....but the 2003 Sodomy ruling paved the way for that ruling. One plays off the other. If sodomy is outlawed again in some states, same sex marriage goes with it being outlawed as well.

I would say gay marriage won't be repealed. The 14th amendment is sound on the issue.

Equal protection under the law.
What also helped pave the way for the law was the revision of the APA's DSM. Removing the language that said homosexuality was a mental illness.

Being then of sound mind, the states cannot refuse consenting of age adult homosexuals the equal right [equal to consenting of age adult heterosexuals] to marry.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I see both abortion and lgbt marriage should be outlawed on a federal and state level. Just like the 2nd Amendment should be protected by both, both should protect society from abortion and lgbt marriages.

There is already protection from abortion.
Exercising the individual free choice not to have one.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Yes before this decision it was a crime. It was considered a crime against nature.

Crime against nature is generally an umbrella term encompassing sexual offenses that are unnatural or "contrary to the order of nature." Some jurisdictions have codified laws against the individual offenses. For example, California originally used the term " the infamous crime against nature ," to describe both sodomy and bestiality.

In fact when the equality clause in the 14th Amendment was adopted it was illegal in all states.

So what made the court use in past precedence to legalize gay marriage? Nothing. They see the Constitution as a progressive document that can be molded and shaped to current opinions.

That is not how the Constitution works. Judges should only interpret the law based on past arguments and judgements. Not on personal opinion.

That is taking the rights of the people in their elected congressional leaders away and legislating from the bench.

This should of been enough to remove them from office.

Human rights are God given as our laws have said. No God given right allows gay marriage.

The god of our founding 3 charters of freedom, [Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights], is nature's god.
And for good reason, as the first amendment attests.
''Natures god'' is subjective and as such applicable to any individual who holds to religious faith.

''the laws of nature'' that precedes nature's god in the Declaration of Independence is inclusive for atheists and agnostics as well. Because though without an express faith they are subjects of nature's laws.

 

[Bluesproverb]

No...lol
We bought a bakery....we have a walk through tomorrow as part of the finalizing process.

I need to take measurements and make a layout for the modifications so that the health department can approve and the contractors can get us bids on what we need to have done.

Congratulations! ☺️💕
Praying you all enjoy great success in your venture.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not only was it unbiblical but is it unconstitutional?

Both. Here is what should be happening in all Western countries:

LGBT ‘propaganda’ faces complete ban in Russia
The promotion of LGBT relations could be permanently banned in Russia under a bill introduced to the State Duma on Monday, which likens such messaging to war propaganda and incitement of hatred.

Currently, LGBT ‘propaganda’ in Russia is only banned when directed at children, but some politicians have been calling for harsher restrictions and punishments for the “denial of family values” and “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations.”
https://www.infowars.com/posts/lgbt-propaganda-faces-complete-ban-in-russia/

Why are there no American or Canadian politicians who are willing to say the same thing, since it is true? Why have none of them quoted Romans 1:18-32 or referred to the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah as being applicable to the USA?

The Marxist/Communist/Fascist/Anarchist "Democrats" (perverting that word) have declared war on America, its Constitution, its Christian values, its conservative values, and everything that is lawful, moral, and sane, while the feckless and cowardly Republicans have stood by and colluded with them in the destruction of America.

The LGBTQ agenda is meant to destroy American (and Western) society, and at present it is seriously focused on destroying little children as well as all young people. The evil Democrats want drag queens in every kindergarten! Pedophilia and the sexual abuse of children is a huge problem in the West, but it seems that no one is really bothered by it. Biden's pick for the Supreme Court -- a black woman who refuses to define "woman" -- loves pedophiles and favors them over their victims. Yet the Republicans failed to block this evil woman from entering the Supreme Court.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

There is already protection from abortion.
Exercising the individual free choice not to have one.

Should that be the only thing to prevent murder? Just leave it up to choice?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The god of our founding 3 charters of freedom, [Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights], is nature's god.
And for good reason, as the first amendment attests.
''Natures god'' is subjective and as such applicable to any individual who holds to religious faith.

''the laws of nature'' that precedes nature's god in the Declaration of Independence is inclusive for atheists and agnostics as well. Because though without an express faith they are subjects of nature's laws.

Who told you that? The document is signed in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ. Their writings, debates, and laws leaves us no other God but Yahweh.

 

[JohnDB]

I would say gay marriage won't be repealed. The 14th amendment is sound on the issue.

Equal protection under the law.
What also helped pave the way for the law was the revision of the APA's DSM. Removing the language that said homosexuality was a mental illness.

Being then of sound mind, the states cannot refuse consenting of age adult homosexuals the equal right [equal to consenting of age adult heterosexuals] to marry.

Equal protection clause applies:
Unless it's an illegal contract in another state. (People forget that sentence)

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Both. Here is what should be happening in all Western countries:

LGBT ‘propaganda’ faces complete ban in Russia
The promotion of LGBT relations could be permanently banned in Russia under a bill introduced to the State Duma on Monday, which likens such messaging to war propaganda and incitement of hatred.

Currently, LGBT ‘propaganda’ in Russia is only banned when directed at children, but some politicians have been calling for harsher restrictions and punishments for the “denial of family values” and “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations.”
https://www.infowars.com/posts/lgbt-propaganda-faces-complete-ban-in-russia/

Why are there no American or Canadian politicians who are willing to say the same thing, since it is true? Why have none of them quoted Romans 1:18-32 or referred to the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah as being applicable to the USA?

The Marxist/Communist/Fascist/Anarchist "Democrats" (perverting that word) have declared war on America, its Constitution, its Christian values, its conservative values, and everything that is lawful, moral, and sane, while the feckless and cowardly Republicans have stood by and colluded with them in the destruction of America.

The LGBTQ agenda is meant to destroy American (and Western) society, and at present it is seriously focused on destroying little children as well as all young people. The evil Democrats want drag queens in every kindergarten! Pedophilia and the sexual abuse of children is a huge problem in the West, but it seems that no one is really bothered by it. Biden's pick for the Supreme Court -- a black woman who refuses to define "woman" -- loves pedophiles and favors them over their victims. Yet the Republicans failed to block this evil woman from entering the Supreme Court.

Agree. Our enemies know that it takes men to fight wars and the enemy within our country knows that men are the top pillar in the Biblical order of family.

God
Man
Woman
Children

They have tried to eliminate God
They have femenized, liberalized, and made unpatriotic men. They teach anti family propaganda and premote a welfare system that encourages woman to live outside of marriage and without a man. Unfortunately, this is this way because men left a vacuum by refusing to be fathers.

Now they attack the women. They now want you to believe women are essentially just men but with different features.

Then comes the children in propaganda, indoctrination and we come full swing creating weaker men and weaker woman until generations want to rebel from the archaic old fashion ways of bigotry and dogma. (So they say)

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Equal protection clause applies:
Unless it's an illegal contract in another state. (People forget that sentence)

They also forget it says equal protection under the law. Meaning it must be within the laws first. Which means marriage would need to legally be redefined.

 

[apwall21]

We live in a monarchy with Christ as the Lord? Not a chance. The Constitution, nowhere, mentions Christ or even the Christian God. To say otherwise is a Qanon conspiracy.

That is a single institution that The People created.
Are we, or aren't we, a nation Of, By, and For?

 

[apwall21]

Not "my will". The collective will of the people. There is no way a Biblical definition of marriage can get past the establishment clause.

The founders learned, from their experience with the Roman church and the Anglican church, that state-sanctioned churches bankrupt nations.

All forms of institutional government have bankrupted their nations.
How much worse are we, financially bankrupted, and now headed to hell as a people.

 

[apwall21]

They also forget it says equal protection under the law. Meaning it must be within the laws first. Which means marriage would need to legally be redefined.

Marriage is a Right of The People. There is no legal definition, there is only God's definition, with our willingness to enforce as participants, and as neighbors.
The "legal" definition is created to ease court hearings, and now to be a revenue source for lazy bureaucrats who need more raise and more underlings.
It does nothing to the fidelity and the strength of the marriage, if the IRS can easily determine which tax benefits are available to those two people.