Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Do your job!

That is a quote from Bill Belichik, basically his mantra as a great coach. I also had a football coach where this was his mantra, only he was coaching Pee Wee football. Every week we would watch a video of last weeks game and he would expose you to the uttermost if you were not "doing your job". As a result my biggest concern was not making the tackle or the big play, I simply wanted to be where I was supposed to be doing what I was supposed to be doing when the video came out the following Friday. I remember one game, we won by 45 points, but after watching the game film I asked another kid "who won that game?" because it seemed on every single play someone had not done their job.

My job is not to criticize the other people on the field or to tell them what to do. That is the coaches job. I knew if I ever did that I would be off the field. All I wanted to do was play so that was my biggest fear. I made my share of mistakes and got my share of tongue lashings from the coach. That was not my fear, my fear was not getting to play.

So let's apply this to the watchmen. Steve Bannon has a political activist news broadcast called "Warroom Pandemic" which clearly has a political agenda. I watch this every day, I view Steve Bannon as a modern day Mordecai. I have no interest in becoming a political activist. That is not my job, I am doing what the Lord has assigned me to do. But just because He has told me what I am to do doesn't mean that applies to Steve Bannon. Vicki Goforth Parnell has prophetic dreams and visions. I listen to everything she shares. I have no interest in having prophetic dreams and visions. I have prayed in the past for some and the Lord gave me them, but I don't ask for anymore. I realize that is not my job. But just because it is not my job doesn't mean it isn't her job. Brother John and Brother Aaron help the community by holding testimony meetings, and discord meetings, and singing hymns and injecting a little humor. That is not me, that is not my job, but it is their job. The first time I saw Dr. Barry Awe's channel I would have normally changed channels immediately. However, the night before I had prayed to the Lord that I needed help with the calendar and that night I dreamed the strangest dream where I saw this bizarre person, but that I knew God had provided me with to help me. As soon as I saw Dr. Barry Awe's channel I knew, "that is the guy from my dream!" So I watched and I got help concerning the calendar. We need to receive one another but not to doubtful disputations.

BTW that PeeWee coach led us to two undefeated seasons and PeeWee championships.
 

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I look for several things to know whether or not we could be in the end times.

1. The Jews returning to Israel in my understanding of scripture defines the terminal generation, ie the end times.

2. However, we cannot have the tribulation unless the Jews can rebuild the temple within a year or two. It takes a certified Red Heifer to do that and they must be three years old before being sacrificed. In all of human history the Jews have only had 10 certified Red heifers. However, they do have one now that will be ready to sacrifice this coming Passover.

3. There must be a covenant that is confirmed for seven years with the many at the start of the seven year tribulation. Most eschatologists believe the seven year tribulation will begin with the Feast of trumpets. Which is in September when the UN opens each year. in 2015 Agenda 2030 was a covenant that was made and it will be confirmed this September over the Feast of Trumpets for seven years. They are planning on strengthening the covenant by controlling what people can buy or sell with a digital currency.

4. Along these lines they would need the technology to implement the mark of the beast which is done shortly after the seven year tribulation begins. To do that you would need a super powerful computer, say a quantum computer, you would need to blanket the earth with satellites, say the Starlink system, and you would need to have a digital currency, say the CBDC, and you would need to have the technology to inject this under the skin, say RFID. Therefore I see all these things as a sign that we are in the end times.

5. The Beast is another thing I would expect to see rising. People likened it to TV, but the image is interactive, it can speak. So I think AI and DeepFake is much more similar to what the Bible refers to. However, that is simply the propaganda arm of the beast, it also has an army that people say no one can fight against. That to me sounds like neuralink connecting soldiers to a central server via AI. Another sign that we are in the end days.
 

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I look for several things to know whether or not we could be in the end times.

1. The Jews returning to Israel in my understanding of scripture defines the terminal generation, ie the end times.

2. However, we cannot have the tribulation unless the Jews can rebuild the temple within a year or two. It takes a certified Red Heifer to do that and they must be three years old before being sacrificed. In all of human history the Jews have only had 10 certified Red heifers. However, they do have one now that will be ready to sacrifice this coming Passover.

3. There must be a covenant that is confirmed for seven years with the many at the start of the seven year tribulation. Most eschatologists believe the seven year tribulation will begin with the Feast of trumpets. Which is in September when the UN opens each year. in 2015 Agenda 2030 was a covenant that was made and it will be confirmed this September over the Feast of Trumpets for seven years. They are planning on strengthening the covenant by controlling what people can buy or sell with a digital currency.

4. Along these lines they would need the technology to implement the mark of the beast which is done shortly after the seven year tribulation begins. To do that you would need a super powerful computer, say a quantum computer, you would need to blanket the earth with satellites, say the Starlink system, and you would need to have a digital currency, say the CBDC, and you would need to have the technology to inject this under the skin, say RFID. Therefore I see all these things as a sign that we are in the end times.

5. The Beast is another thing I would expect to see rising. People likened it to TV, but the image is interactive, it can speak. So I think AI and DeepFake is much more similar to what the Bible refers to. However, that is simply the propaganda arm of the beast, it also has an army that people say no one can fight against. That to me sounds like neuralink connecting soldiers to a central server via AI. Another sign that we are in the end days.
Let's consider the odds of these prophecies being fulfilled using Bayesian analysis.

1. Israel returning as a nation after 70AD and being scattered for almost 2,000 years. Seems almost impossible. But the prophecy is even more incredible, it says it will be done in a single day and sure enough it was done by a UN vote in a single day. How could anyone more than 2,000 years ago predicted that, but wait, it is even more incredible. Jesus referred to them as the Fig tree generation! Israel's national tree is an olive tree. The Fig tree refers to Adam and Eve sinning in the garden and covering themselves with fig leaves. The UN wanted to make up for the holocaust by giving the Jews Israel. But wait, it gets even more incredible than that, Ezekiel is asked if these dry bones can live again? After WW2 we saw pictures of people walking out of the concentration camps looking like skeletons coming back to life and coming together to form this nation. But wait, there is more. Jesus said to learn the parable of the fig tree and all the trees. Israel was not the only nation to be formed at this time, there were four or five nations formed in the middle east, all with national trees. I would say the odds of this prophecy are 1,000,000,000 to 1.

2. If Israel has had over 2,000 years of history from Moses to the present and during that time they have only had 10 certified Red Heifers I would put the odds of having one at 200:1

3. This prophecy about confirming or strengthening a covenant for seven years is quite remarkable. First of all the idea of having to confirm it with the many was incredible, this was during a time when the Babylonian empire was ruled by one man. The idea of the UN was completely foreign and in more than 4,000 years of human history we have only had a functioning UN for less than 80 years. Therefore I will give the odds on this 50:1. But there is more, he didn't say "makes a covenant for 7 years" but confirms it. I suspect that confirming a covenant that is already made is rare. But being specific about it being confirmed for 7 years is extremely rare. For example, the British leased Hong Kong from China for a 100 years. When the time was coming for the lease to be up I can imagine the Chinese wanting the British to confirm that they would hand it over. However that would not be confirming it "with the many" nor do I think they "confirmed it for seven years". So again, I will say odds are 10:1. But then this word confirms actually can be translated "strengthens". So even though you might want assurances that a covenant will be kept, strengthening the covenant is probably less common, so let's say 2:1. This means the odds on this prophecy would be 50x10X2 = 1,000:1

4. If we look at the technology required to implement the mark of the beast it would be the first time in 6,000 years that humans have had all the technology required to do this. Therefore I'd say the odds on this is 1,000:1.

5. Likewise with AI, deep fakes, and neuralink. Again, I'd say the odds are 1,000:1

To calculate the odds of all five being fulfilled at the same time you simply multiply these numbers together:

1,000,000,000 x 200 x 1,000 x 1,000 x 1,000 = 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 : 1

Therefore the odds that the tribulation is upon us is
200,000,000,000,000,000,000 : 1

or 200 quintillion to 1. (The Milky Way Galaxy is a quintillion meters wide, so this is like the width of 200 Milky way galaxies compared to 1 meter if 1 meter represents the size of a human brain).
 

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Everything Has Changed. Rapture is NEAR! Tom Cote

I am watching the 3 Gorges dam. I have felt for years that this would be a sign of the rapture, similar to the water breaking on a pregnant woman before the baby is born. The 3 gorges dam mimics the woman's anatomy for the womb.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast down to the earth, he persecuted the woman that brought forth the man child. 14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman water as a river, that he might cause her to be carried away by the stream. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

A flood as a stream out of the mouth of the dragon that is so huge John could see it 2,000 years ago.

However the Earth opens its mouth to swallow the flood and save the people. If the 3 Gorges dam collapses it would flood an area where 500 million people live and could potentially die. However, the sixth seal is a great earthquake and when that takes place the Earth will open up to release the dead in Christ, this could also be the earthquake that swallows this flood.

BTW Doksuri means eagle.
 

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The concluding word in both Mark and Luke is very telling.

I used to teach HS science in the inner city. I had two overriding goals. I wanted kids to score in the 90 percentile range on the final statewide exam, the best score any of my students ever got was 97% and I had a standing offer to reward anyone who scored 95% or higher.

However, I also had another goal which is that as many students as possible would pass. The school system was far more focused on kids passing and failing. So my other overriding goal is how to help the most kids get over that 65% line.

These two goals are what the concluding word for Mark and Luke looks like. Let's begin with Mark:

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 17 And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken unto them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.

There is only one charge to them and that is to preach the gospel to all creation. Interesting that these signs do not appear to be those that would help you discern the true gospel from the phony but rather to be able to overcome during the tribulation. This is a very strong promise that they will not be harmed by vaccines designed to kill or poison you.

Now let's look at the charge in Luke

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

This is what the watchmen have been doing. Moses is where we get the calendar, all the feast days, talk about Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot, Noah, Joseph, the Exodus, Joshua, and many other types and shadows of the rapture. Dr. Barry Awe has focused on these. The prophets have been dissected by such wonderful teachers like Chuck Missler and DTBM ministries who has done some wonderful historical analysis. We have others who have dug into the book of Revelation like the Prophecy club and a whole host of prophecies from both the OT, NT, even Enoch and the work that Repoman 64 is doing. The Psalms have turned out to be wonderfully prophetic and Pastor Sandy has focused on that to the point of it being amazing.

45 Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures;

Isn't this amazing that this is not in Mark? No charge to dig into the word or to have their mind renewed and transformed.

46 and he said unto them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day;

When you dive into the word you are not simply interested in who, or what or where or when. You ultimately get to the question of why? Why does it have to be this way? I have touched on this in many posts. This is not an elementary lesson but when you get to why Christ must suffer and rise again it just really strengthens your faith to see that what is happening is what must happen to really accomplish all that the Lord wishes to accomplish.

47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

Even this is more detailed than what is in Mark. In Mark you "preach the gospel" here you explain about sins and remission of sins and repentance. It is much more detailed on the walk that is necessary to be saved.

48 Ye are witnesses of these things.

What things? All of these things! All the words in the Bible that have been fulfilled! Witnesses of the remission of sins! Witnesses of repentance! Witnesses of how the word will sanctify us and transform our minds.

49 And behold, I send forth the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city, until ye be clothed with power from on high.

There is no charge in Mark to tarry, no promise of power on high though "signs accompanying them" is referred to. The charge in Luke begins at Pentecost, the charge in Mark is almost as though it refers to after the rapture of the church. At that point the Lord doesn't need you to dig into the word, just needs you to preach the gospel that others have mined and brought to light. You know what the gospel is because of the rapture, all those who were raptured obviously were speaking the word that you are now to preach.

50 And he led them out until they were over against Bethany: and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

Can you see the two stages here, like a two stage rocket. Luke is referring to the believers blessed by the Lord at the time of His ascension all the way to the rapture. Mark is for those in the tribulation that have been "bitten by snakes".

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven.

Can we all see this? We are here on a mission that was handed to us at the time that Jesus was carried up to heaven and we will be responsible for right up until we also are carried up into heaven.

52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 and were continually in the temple, blessing God.

So then, are you "continually in the temple, blessing God"? I like this word "blessing". He doesn't say "worshipping", doesn't say "praising", doesn't say "communing" or "praying" or "fellowshipping". Each one of us has a portion and that portion "blesses" God. Not all are prayer warriors, not all are worship leaders, not all are prophets or shepherds or teachers. That is true, but all of us can bless God continually.
 

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Think about it!

Romans 2:1 Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things. 3 And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

After the fall everyone became a sinner with the sinful nature and all the sinful temptations. So what is the point? If the Lord is going to save us then He has already paid the price for all of those sins. But what He is concerned about is liars and pride. Those that condemn others for doing the same things that they are practicing. What He is looking for are those who are ashamed at sin, confess it, repent it, and hate it. Think of the seed for an oak tree sprouting in a pile of dung. The word of God is in our spirit and sprouts and begins to grow, but it is growing in a fleshly, sinful, corrupt body.

Now, not all of us have all the same sins. If you genuinely received the Lord and were rescued from your sins, repenting of them, then the message that resonated with you would resonate with others suffering from the same affliction. That is a ministry.

I heard a brother share his testimony about being in prison for a number of felonies saying "guilty as charged". There is no attempt at self justification. I have heard about people who have openly confessed to all kinds of sins and yet they found salvation, repented, and now they have a ministry that can help others in the same situation. Former drug addicts that can help other drug addicts. Mike Lindell is an example of that.

The movie "The Sound of Freedom" revolves around the testimony of a former cartel member who realized he was the darkness in these children who are being trafficked for sex. He gave himself to rescue them after being saved by the Lord.

There are two paths a sinner can take. One path leads to salvation and a ministry, the other leads to a life of lies, deceit, judgement and condemnation.
 

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Top 3 Reasons Why 2023 Is The Year Of The Rapture!

These are three completely different reasons than what I have previously shared. It is like the top of a mountain. You can come up very different trails but when you get to the top they will all come to the same place.
 

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I think this is what the great delusion is:

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; 7 which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.

It is their perverted gospel which includes angels from heaven pretending to be aliens.
 

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DTBM - Spiritual Warfare Series


SWS-02 What Is Spiritual Warfare And Why Do We Need Armor (SWS-02)

Spiritual warfare is about Satan trying to destroy your usefulness to God.

Paul told Timothy to do the work of an evangelist. This is because Timothy was not an evangelist, he needed prompting to do that work.

I also am not an evangelist. I know this because in college I worked with a brother who was an evangelist. Because I would eat lunch with him I probably preached the gospel several hundred times during my years at college because we spoke to anyone who sat at our table. While at the college I handed out hundreds, probably even thousands of gospel tracts if you add them all up. I was a full time missionary in Taiwan where we were evangelizing. I have been around true Evangelists. You cannot keep them from speaking the gospel to others.

The same is true of prayer warriors. That also is not me, even though I have had many answered prayers and some very powerful moments in prayer.

No, you know what you are because the Lord said "out of your innermost being shall flow rivers of living water". There is no effort, they come out naturally. Consider this blog, I have averaged 10 posts per day and I have not missed a single day and this is for over two years (really more than three years if you add the blog I had before this one where I got suspended). During that same time we sold our house and drove across the country about two thousand miles six times. Even while driving the car packed with our suitcases and staying in motels I didn't miss posting to the blog. It is much harder to not post than it is to post.

However, I still do the work of an evangelist with real evangelists and I still pray with real prayer warriors.