You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!

[Phoneman-777]

yes. please do be clear

what Bible are you using? the fudge-it Bible for people with an agenda?

the passage could not be any clearer, but I guess your eyesight is failing from your tower miles away from reality

I actually think Jesus is referring to the religious who think they know all about God and tsk tsk everyone else when He talks about blasphemy.

I can understand why you might overlook that

Did Jesus say, "Hey guys, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing divine power to demonic agency"??? No...that's mere inference - which is a horrible foundation upon which to build a doctrine.

That Jesus didn't explicitly define blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as what you infer, coupled with the fact that He promised to not cast out anyone that comes to Him...

...should be enough to lead anyone to conclude that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is stubborn, persistent resistance to the Holy Spirit (which is what the Jews were doing by attributing divine power to demonic agency) by those He attempts to lead to repentance and obtain forgiveness.

 

[SophieT]

Did Jesus say, "Hey guys, the definition of Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing divine power to demonic agency"? No...that's mere inference - which is a horrible foundation upon which to build a doctrine.

That Jesus didn't explicitly define blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as what you infer, coupled with the fact that He promised to not cast out anyone that comes to Him...

...should be enough to lead anyone to conclude that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is stubborn, persistent resistance to the Holy Spirit (which is what the Jews were doing by attributing divine power to demonic agency) by those He attempts to lead to repentance and obtain forgiveness.

He said what He said

the Scribes were not anyone

Jesus most certainly did define blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as attributing His work to the devil

repeating your error multiple times defines a more egregious lean towards error as you do so

 

[Phoneman-777]

And yet keeping the commandments wasn't enough otherwise Christ wouldn't have needed to die for us would he? so are you saying our salvation is our own doing then by keeping the commanments?

Please spare me the straw man arguments, OK?

Everyone knows works don't save us which is why I don't claim that..but what everyone doesn't know, especially the OSAS crowd, is that good works - or the lack thereof - are the evidence of whether or not we've been saved. Read it in 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.

 

[Blain]

there I go again?

LOL!

I apologigize I thought phone man said this about you and everyone else I got confused.

 

[Phoneman-777]

No, no YOU think coming to Him is a one night stand, we do not think so.
Not only do you not understand what happened at the cross you also do not understand the new birth whereby we are made new creations, we are not the same. Old things for us have passed away behold all things have become new.

This is done by God's miraculous power in our hearts, this can happen to you today as you sit at your computer. Come God's way.

You are like Naaman of old, he BELIEVED the testimony of the little maid and he came to church but he didn't like the message, "go wash in Jordan and thou shalt be clean" God's miraculous power. But Naaman turned away in a rage "are not human endeavour and human achievement better rivers to wash in than the dirty river of God? may I not wash in them and be clean?"

Abana and Pharpar the rivers of Syria means human endeavour and human achievement.

But the Holy Spirit sent the christians after Naaman "my father, if the prophet had bid thee do some great thing wouldest thou not have done it? how much rather then when he says only to thee wash and be clean?"

Come God's way.

You're kidding, right?
When asked, "Do you take this woman, forsaking all others?" Conditional Salvation says "I DO!!!"

OSAS says, "I'll do my best, babe, and you'll just have to put up with that".

Which sounds more like a one night stand?

 

[Blain]

Please spare me the straw man arguments, OK?

Everyone knows works don't save us which is why I don't claim that..but what everyone doesn't know, especially the OSAS crowd, is that good works - or the lack thereof - are the evidence of whether or not we've been saved. Read it in 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.

I don't see how it is a strawman question it is simple to understand really for the true believer works just naturally follow it's instinctive it's as natural as breathing is that not how it is for anyone who has a new nature? I mean if you have to try to do good works and it doesn't just flow maybe you don't have a new nature at all.

 

[Phoneman-777]

where are they?

I haven't seen them in this thread yet

which post are you referring to?

I'll look it up after you deconstruct my claim that Matthew 24:12-13 KJV disproves OSAS....still waiting.

 

[Evmur]

You're kidding, right?
When asked, "Do you take this woman, forsaking all others?" Conditional Salvation says "I DO!!!"

OSAS says, "I'll do my best, babe, and you'll just have to put up with that".

Which sounds more like a one night stand?

That's not what we say ... YOU are the one who's doing his best babe

We know that our best is not good enough, we say "Lord have mercy upon me a sinner, I can't do this thing Lord, but if you can do it IN ME and THROUGH ME I will trust You all my days"

 

[Blain]

You're kidding, right?
When asked, "Do you take this woman, forsaking all others?" Conditional Salvation says "I DO!!!"

OSAS says, "I'll do my best, babe, and you'll just have to put up with that".

Which sounds more like a one night stand?

Wrong osas says I do my best and whatever I may lack he doesn't. See we recognize that we may fall at times we recognize that we are weak but only those who know weakness recognize true strength, he is strong when we aren't and when we are strong he makes us stronger.

 

[Phoneman-777]

there is resistance going on after all

you are resisting what Christ said to the Pharisees when they accused him of enacting the miracles He did by the power of satan

now that is a very direct response from Jesus to the religious spirits ... er Scribes and to create a backup plan, is of your own doing

You are resisting is correction for improper hermeneutics by making inference fact.

Where did He say "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit IS attributing divine power to demonic agency"?

 

[Phoneman-777]

That's not what we say ... YOU are the one who's doing his best babe

We know that our best is not good enough, we say "Lord have mercy upon me a sinner, I can't do this thing Lord, but if you can do it IN ME and THROUGH ME I will trust You all my days"

That's exactly what OSAS teaches.

The Just Man falls seven time but rises again, but the Presumptuous Man climbs down in the pit of sin and refuses to leave. Since mercy doesn't cover the Presumptuous Man, he covers himself with OSAS, and Proverbs 28:13 has something to say about that.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I know this was not directed to me, but anyway

your problem is that you seek to insult people rather than discuss or disagree and discuss

you are comparing a Christians long term relationship with his Lord as though he thought he was paying a prostitute for benefits

you know, I am willing to guess that most Christians would not even think of that comparison, so where is your mind at?

you know that hell you don't believe is real? I would suggest you might be playing close to the edge here with your false accusations and sinful comparisons

I don't criticize character, I criticize false doctrine - and if I do mess up, I ask forgiveness.

You, however, should take a look at your own posts, darlin.

 

[Phoneman-777]

He said what He said

the Scribes were not anyone

Jesus most certainly did define blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as attributing His work to the devil

repeating your error multiple times defines a more egregious lean towards error as you do so

That's inference! He did NOT explicitly say "this is the definition of that"!

Good gravy, let's try being objective for once.

 

[Evmur]

That's exactly what OSAS teaches.

The Just Man falls seven time but rises again, but the Presumptuous Man climbs down in the pit of sin and refuses to leave. Since mercy doesn't cover the Presumptuous Man, he covers himself with OSAS, and Proverbs 28:13 has something to say about that.

I don't know who these christians are who have climbed down the pit of sin and refuse to leave. I been around 45 years and don't know anybody like that.

 

[Evmur]

I don't criticize character, I criticize false doctrine - and if I do mess up, I ask forgiveness.

You, however, should take a look at your own posts, darlin.

you are doing your best babe ... spose God will have to put up wi' that.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don't see how it is a strawman question it is simple to understand really for the true believer works just naturally follow it's instinctive it's as natural as breathing is that not how it is for anyone who has a new nature? I mean if you have to try to do good works and it doesn't just flow maybe you don't have a new nature at all.

Invariably, whenever someone points out 1 John 2:3-4 KJV, OSAS people immediately go to "We're not saved by works!!!" Just like you did.

Of course, we're not saved by works - but works are the evidence of whether we're saved by grace - whether we've made a full surrender to Jesus.

The OSAS License to Sin is a "permanent" solution to intermittent surrender which in the sight of God is as inadequate a covering Adam and Eve's fig leaves.

 

[Phoneman-777]

you are doing your best babe ... spose God will have to put up wi' that.

Yes, I try my best to expose false doctrines which rob people of a knowledge that salvation is conditional on the sinner making a full, permanent surrender of our will to Jesus' will.

As I said to another, OSAS is a "permanent solution" to intermittent surrender.

 

[Evmur]

Yes, I try my best to expose false doctrines which rob people of a knowledge that salvation is conditional on the sinner making a full, permanent surrender of our will to Jesus' will.

As I said to another, OSAS is a "permanent solution" to intermittent surrender.

OSAS is eternal life it is the free gift of God to everyone who believes ... God does not impart this gift on any other terms than as a free gift. If you do not receive it as a free gift you won't have it.

This life is in His Son, he that hath the Son hath life, he who hath not the Son hath not life. Because He lives we shall live also.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don't know who these christians are who have climbed down the pit of sin and refuse to leave. I been around 45 years and don't know anybody like that.

You don't need a Driver's License unless you intend to drive.
You don't need a Hunting License unless you intend to hunt.
You don't need a Fishing License unless you intend to fish.
You don't need a Liquor License unless you intend to sell booze.

You don't need a OSAS License to Sin unless you intend to sin.

 

[Evmur]

You don't need a Driver's License unless you intend to drive.
You don't need a Hunting License unless you intend to hunt.
You don't need a Fishing License unless you intend to fish.
You don't need a Liquor License unless you intend to sell booze.

You don't need a OSAS License to Sin unless you intend to sin.

Why that's what they accused Paul of, preaching grace as a license to sin, their condemnation, said Paul, is just. Could YOU be accused of preaching grace as a license to sin?

You are preaching a different gospel to Paul's gospel then.