Written fir our Admonition 1 Corinthians 10:11

[posthuman]

The weekly Sabbath started at

never commanded to anyone until Exodus 16.

 

[Dino246]

In other words, seeing how a day with the Lord is as a thousand years at times in a prophetic sense

Um no, that's not what the Scripture says. There are two places where this idea is presented, and neither provides the supporting idea that there is a "prophetic sense" to the comparison. Further, the comparison is presented both ways and also linked to "a watch in the night" (a third length of time), which means one cannot legitimately take a day and conclude it "prophetically" means a thousand years.

Psalm 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8b With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

 

[Dino246]

Shadow laws were after the fall of man and was for a plan of salvation.

Or, in other words, You have no scripturally sound argument left to present so you just make something up.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You are right—man cannot reverse what GOD has done, BUT GOD CAN—and did . Hebrews 7 says GOD (not man) changed the law; and not just about Priest, He changed all of the law from Judaism to The law of Christ. Even in Matthew 5-7 Jesus was changing the law. The old law taught “you shall not murder”, but Jesus said, “But I SAY, you can’t even hate your brother…”. The OLD law said, “Do not commit adultery” but JESUS SAYS, “Do not even lust for a woman..” and (new law) if you lust, you have committed adultery in your heart. That wasn’t Old Testament teaching, that is the new law of Christ. The old Jewish law permitted divorce for various reason, but Christ changed the law, and under the new law of Christ there is only one reason why a person can divorce their spouse and that is for sexual immorality. The old law said “you shall not swear falsely, but I SAY do not swear at all…” The old Jewish law said, “An eye for an eye” but JESUS SAYS do not resist…be meek, be giving. The old Jewish law said, “ Love your neighbor and hate your enemy”, but I SAY love your enemies. That’s just the beginning. Colossians tells us that feast days, new moons, dietary laws concerning meat and drink, SABBATH days, all no longer are bound on us—we are not required to keep those any more, so don’t let anyone judge you for not keeping those old laws nor let them tell you you must keep them. Col. 2:14-16. Circumcision is another old law that has been done away. Galations 5:6 “In Christ-meaning in the new law of Christ—neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything.” He says, “ You observe days, and months and seasons and years, I am afraid of you lest I have labored for you in VAIN.””

So in Hebrews 7 when he said THE LAW HAD TO BE CHANGED, what was changed was much more than just the laws concerning priests. The Jewish laws about murder, adultery, swearing, an eye for an eye, divorce, vengeance, and hating your enemy; feast days, sabbath days, new moons, festivals, dietary laws, days, months, seasons and years and —a major one—circumcision, just to name a few! The whole Jewish law was changed. Hebrews says it was OBSOLETE AND VANISHING AWAY. Colossians says Jesus TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY AND NAILED IT TO HIS CROSS.

Jesus said in Matthew 5 that it would only last UNTIL He had fulfilled it. (Verse 18) There were many prophecies about Him in the Old Testament and all of those had to be fulfilled before His new law came into effect. We know Isaiah 53 is a messianic chapter about the death of Jesus and the events surrounding His death. That must be fulfilled before the old law vanished away. Once He died on the cross all things were fulfilled about Him. Jesus said with His dying words, “It is finished.” This harmonizes with Hebrews 9:16-17 that says before someone’s “will” can come into effect, that person must be dead. We live on this side of the cross. The old Jewish law has been “taken away” and we are now living under the New Law of Jesus Christ. Ignatius, a second century writer was right. “ Judaism prohibits “grace.”

Where in Hebrews 7 does God say we no longer need to keep the Sabbath day holy but instead can profane it? Do you have a verse? The law in Hebrews 7 is about the priesthood.

And it tells us why the law had to change and which law, so as I stated a few times, best not to add what is not there.

Lets look


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.

This again is where we need to have a good understanding of the OT. The law of the earthy priesthood came from the tribe of Levi, because they were the only tribe when Moses got the Ten Commandments that didn't partake in the idol worship, so the law said all preists had to come from the tribe of Levi. This poses a problem because Jesus came from the tribe of Judah whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

So in order for Jesus to be our High Preist the necessity there is also a change of the law- the presithood.

Why the Sabbath is not mentioned once in Hebrews 7 because it has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment,

So do you want to try this again- where did God abrogate His Sabbath commandment, thus saith the Lord? It didn't end at the Cross according to what Jesus taught He would be kept until His Second Coming Mat 24:20 Rev 22:14 and for eternity for His faithful Isa 66:23

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Or, in other words, You have no scripturally sound argument left to present so you just make something up.

Are you claiming Adam and Eve fell on day 6 of Creation- where is that verse.

 

[posthuman]

Where in Hebrews 7 does God say we no longer need to keep the Sabbath day holy but instead can profane it? Do you have a verse? The law in Hebrews 7 is about the priesthood.

And it tells us why the law had to change and which law, so as I stated a few times, best not to add what is not there.

Lets look


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.

This again is where we need to have a good understanding of the OT. The law of the earthy priesthood came from the tribe of Levi, because they were the only tribe when Moses got the Ten Commandments that didn't partake in the idol worship, so the law said all preists had to come from the tribe of Levi. This poses a problem because Jesus came from the tribe of Judah whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

So in order for Jesus to be our High Preist the necessity there is also a change of the law- the presithood.

Why the Sabbath is not mentioned once in Hebrews 7 because it has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment,

So do you want to try this again- where did God abrogate His Sabbath commandment, thus saith the Lord? It didn't end at the Cross according to what Jesus taught He would be kept until His Second Coming Mat 24:20 Rev 22:14 and for eternity for His faithful Isa 66:23

the Bible speaks of the Law as one Law.
not of parts you can ignore and parts you can't.
there aren't 'priestly laws' vs 'moral laws' - - there is just the law, and you are either under it all or not any of it, and you are either guilty of all of it by failing any point, or you keep every jot and tittle.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

the Bible speaks of the Law as one Law.
not of parts you can ignore and parts you can't.
there aren't 'priestly laws' vs 'moral laws' - - there is just the law, and you are either under it all or not any of it, and you are either guilty of all of it by failing any point, or you keep every jot and tittle.

No, there isn't just one law. There are lots of laws in scriptures, there is a law that is contrary and against Deut 31:24-26 Col 2:14 and a law that is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 understanding the different laws will help us understand the NT.

Ne 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

Paul even contrasted these laws

1 Cor 7:19 19 (the law of) Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

 

[Sipsey]

No, there isn't just one law. There are lots of laws in scriptures, there is a law that is contrary and against Deut 31:24-26 Col 2:14 and a law that is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 understanding the different laws will help us understand the NT.

Ne 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

Paul even contrasted these laws

1 Cor 7:19 19 (the law of) Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

1. Matthew 11:28-30

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

• Jesus emphasizes that following Him is not about heavy burdens but about rest and peace.

2. Acts 15:10

“Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?”

• During the Jerusalem Council, Peter warns against imposing unnecessary religious burdens on Gentile converts.

3. Acts 15:28-29

“It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.”

• The early church made a decision not to impose unnecessary rules on Gentile believers.

4. Matthew 23:4

“They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.”

• Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for placing heavy burdens on others through legalism.

5. Galatians 5:1

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”

• Paul reminds believers that Christ has set them free, and they should not be burdened by legalistic practices.

6. Romans 14:13

“Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.”

• Paul encourages believers not to impose unnecessary obstacles on others.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

1. Matthew 11:28-30

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

• Jesus emphasizes that following Him is not about heavy burdens but about rest and peace.

2. Acts 15:10

“Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?”

• During the Jerusalem Council, Peter warns against imposing unnecessary religious burdens on Gentile converts.

3. Acts 15:28-29

“It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.”

• The early church made a decision not to impose unnecessary rules on Gentile believers.

4. Matthew 23:4

“They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.”

• Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for placing heavy burdens on others through legalism.

5. Galatians 5:1

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”

• Paul reminds believers that Christ has set them free, and they should not be burdened by legalistic practices.

6. Romans 14:13

“Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.”

• Paul encourages believers not to impose unnecessary obstacles on others.

The Sabbath is about rest and spending time with God- why on earth would anyone call that a heavy yoke is beyond me. If one thinks that now, they would not be happy in heaven when the Sabbath continues for eternity Isa 66:23 because it was always part of God's perfect plan from Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11.

They were already keeping every Sabbath in Acts see Acts 15:21 as were the gentiles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and they never mentioned in Acts 15 to love God and love neighbor- are those commandments gone too for Gentiles?

 

[posthuman]

No, there isn't just one law

God warned us about people like you, who try to delete jots and tittles, and make the cross of Christ useless.

James 2:10​

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.​

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note that the Spirit of God says "the whole law ((singular))"
not "all the laws"

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[SabbathBlessing]

God warned us about people like you, who try to delete jots and tittles, and make the cross of Christ useless.

James 2:10​

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.​

​

note that the Spirit of God says "the whole law ((singular))"
not "all the laws"

​

You might want to quote the next verse on the “whole law“ being referred to here, I never once said to get rid of God’s the law, I have been only said we should keep through faith and love

 

[Beckworth]

Where in Hebrews 7 does God say we no longer need to keep the Sabbath day holy but instead can profane it? Do you have a verse? The law in Hebrews 7 is about the priesthood.

And it tells us why the law had to change and which law, so as I stated a few times, best not to add what is not there.

Lets look


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.

This again is where we need to have a good understanding of the OT. The law of the earthy priesthood came from the tribe of Levi, because they were the only tribe when Moses got the Ten Commandments that didn't partake in the idol worship, so the law said all preists had to come from the tribe of Levi. This poses a problem because Jesus came from the tribe of Judah whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

So in order for Jesus to be our High Preist the necessity there is also a change of the law- the presithood.

Why the Sabbath is not mentioned once in Hebrews 7 because it has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment,

So do you want to try this again- where did God abrogate His Sabbath commandment, thus saith the Lord? It didn't end at the Cross according to what Jesus taught He would be kept until His Second Coming Mat 24:20 Rev 22:14 and for eternity for His faithful Isa 66:23

You must be mixed up. Hebrews 7 says the law had to be changed. Colossians 2 says we are not to be judged for not keeping the Sabbath, along with other Old Jewish regulations, because Jesus has TAKEN THEM AWAY AND NAILED Them TO HIS CROSS. It doesn’t get any plainer than that.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You must be mixed up. Hebrews 7 says the law had to be changed. Colossians 2 says we are not to be judged for not keeping the Sabbath, along with other Old Jewish regulations, because Jesus has TAKEN THEM AWAY AND NAILED Them TO HIS CROSS. It doesn’t get any plainer than that.

There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture, Paul was clear the sabbath(s) he was referring to but no one seems to care about the context sadly. Paul would never contradict Jesus- Jesus said the Sabbath didn’t end at the Cross Mat 24:20 Isaiah 66:23 for His faithful hence why the faithful apostles kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4, so I guess we will find out soon enough if we can forget what God commanded us to Remember, that Jesus said was made for us that He is Lord of. No wonder we have this warning 2 Peter 3:15-16

 

[posthuman]

You might want to quote the next verse on the “whole law“ being referred to here, I never once said to get rid of God’s the law, I have been only said we should keep through faith and love

you might want to read the previous verse and discover that Leviticus 19 - the specific charge James has against them - is every bit as much considered "the Law" as Exodus 20 is.

but you might want to read Colossians 2 again first, over and over and over until you find yourself in it.

 

[posthuman]

I never once said to get rid of God’s the law

oh?

where do you get your doves and goats for your guilt offerings, and who administers the lambs for the weekly sabbath sacrifice for you? do you use unbleached flour or not when you make the required grain offering?

Galatians 3:10, friend.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Saying the lord's day is exactly the same thing as saying the day of the lord, eg, the lord's people = the people of the lord. Nowhere is the 7th day of the week called the lord's day; it is called a sabbath TO the lord (Exodus 20:10).

However, the phrase the day of the lord is used numerous times in scripture to refer to God's times of judgment, which is what the Revelation is about. So IMO it's really a stretch to insist that the lord's day means Saturday, and actually kind of bordering on unbelief to ignore the expression the day of the lord in a book about the day of the lord..

Whose day? The lord's day

For as the lightning, that flashes out of the one part under heaven, shines unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. Luke 17:24​

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[SabbathBlessing]

oh?

where do you get your doves and goats for your guilt offerings, and who administers the lambs for the weekly sabbath sacrifice for you? do you use unbleached flour or not when you make the required grain offering?

Galatians 3:10, friend.

This is where understanding the difference between the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God, the God of the Universe and the laws that were placed outside the ark handwritten by Moses in a book really helps. One law is perfect Psa 19:7 the other contrary and against Deut 31:24-26

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

The law God wrote is perfect Exo 31:18 because God could not write an imperfect law and sorry so many people don’t have faith to believe this. Even Paul said it was holy, just and good And keeping them is what matters 1 Cor 7:19.

Jesus kept them and the Sabbath and said follow Me, not anyone else.

 

[Dino246]

Are you claiming Adam and Eve fell on day 6 of Creation- where is that verse.

Did I say ANYTHING about Adam and Eve? No. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Dino246]

This is where understanding the difference between the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God, the God of the Universe and the laws that were placed outside the ark handwritten by Moses in a book really helps. One law is perfect Psa 19:7 the other contrary and against Deut 31:24-26

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

The law God wrote is perfect Exo 31:18 because God could not write an imperfect law and sorry so many people don’t have faith to believe this. Even Paul said it was holy, just and good And keeping them is what matters 1 Cor 7:19.

Jesus kept them and the Sabbath and said follow Me, not anyone else.

Galatians 2:11-14 11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"

Don't be a Cephas. Gentile Christians are not now and never were under the Sinai covenant.

 

[posthuman]

2. Acts 15:10

“Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?”

• During the Jerusalem Council, Peter warns against imposing unnecessary religious burdens on Gentile converts.

Referring to the law ((singular)) of Moses.
See verse 5.


@SabbathBlessing
you have had this discussion and lost the argument 1,000 times in this forum.

why do you keep teaching things you know are false?