would you donate to Copeland...and the like.
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how much money should a preacher have? Or do we only complain about those who we disagree with Theologically?
for example JohnMac
his net worth is 14 million is that too much? I know he write book blah blah.
KC write them too and sings and sold millions of his cd's of Music very good Country singer how much should he have made on that which would be acceptable?
200 mil
14 mil
both had much more than Jesus did
for example JohnMac
his net worth is 14 million is that too much? I know he write book blah blah.KC write them too
and sings and sold millions of his cd's of Music very good Country singer how much should he have made on that which would be acceptable? 200 mil
14 mil
both had much more than Jesus did
"how much money should a preacher have? Or do we only complain about those who we disagree with Theologically?
No I would not. I watched a youtube video on him doing supposed healings of disabled folks. There were no healings to see and one of the wheelchair users fell on the back of his wheelchair when he supposedly imparted the Spirit. Wheelchair was on its back.
Kenny didnt say sorry but have the falling over as part of Gods doing and praised God.
Nope.
Kenny didnt say sorry but have the falling over as part of Gods doing and praised God.
Nope.
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You make a very good argument AND I agree with much of what you have SAID. However. I do not care how many times others have addressed this I am accountable for what I do. We are to forgive 7X 70 per offense per day each day. 490 that's more than days in a year to be done in one day.
that's more than days in a year to be done in one day.
Nope, when Jesus is the Authority when he is speaking on the subject and he said nor me what to do I am having a very good conversation
I am having a very good conversation
Interesting discussion if a bit dramatic.
Yup. But again, did I condemn Copeland himself? No I did not. the heart is not our territory and I pretty much address that in previous posts which is why I said if you had read them but at the same time, things are moving along pretty quickly and we can't read every single post. It is good that God forgives us on a continuing basis if we are in fellowship with Him.
LOL. Well ok. But Jesus is not posting here and I disagree that He intends we should travel around confronting people. And again and not to bore anyone, but Copeland has been confronted many times and he just winks and carries on. As a so called teacher he would need to be answerable for what he teaches and so far, I would not want to be him!
Interesting discussion if a bit dramatic.
LOL. Well ok. But Jesus is not posting here and I disagree that He intends we should travel around confronting people. And again and not to bore anyone, but Copeland has been confronted many times and he just winks and carries on. As a so called teacher he would need to be answerable for what he teaches and so far, I would not want to be him!
Interesting discussion if a bit dramatic.
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Then I would think you would understand and possibly agree with me? I mean you are saying that to me. Why should your words prevail over mine? I did not get my thoughts from a book but from the Bible and my fellowship with God. I do not see in those scriptures you quoted what you seem to think is a universal command to every one of us in any situation. I think you have to accept that unless you believe you somehow have authority over me?
I tend to bristle when someone tries to make a point and when the other person does not accept they then start saying 'Jesus says'
That is how I see what you are doing. Please stop it because you are not my teacher and this is a forum.
OK
I tend to bristle when someone tries to make a point and when the other person does not accept they then start saying 'Jesus says'
That is how I see what you are doing. Please stop it because you are not my teacher and this is a forum.
If you look at my post anyone of them I keep it pithy and strait shooting . I never get personal but I have spoke to people personally
. I never get personal but I have spoke to people personally
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Are you saying Copeland is carnal then? Biblically illiterate? We cannot judge his prayer life though. Lazy? Possibly?
I think the number one problem with Christians today is following seducing spirits and having the opinion they could never be fooled but everyone else is suspect.
I don't think you have really accepted the fact I do not agree with your interpretation while still thinking I should do what you say. Who is the one deceiving people? Copeland? You have kind of tried to turn aside from that and put guilt on others in my humble opinion.
Guess we will have to leave it there though.
I think the number one problem with Christians today is following seducing spirits and having the opinion they could never be fooled but everyone else is suspect.
I don't think you have really accepted the fact I do not agree with your interpretation while still thinking I should do what you say. Who is the one deceiving people? Copeland? You have kind of tried to turn aside from that and put guilt on others in my humble opinion.
Guess we will have to leave it there though.
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It seems this thread has gone off track but for the record, I would just like to repost what I initially stated to another poster way back on page 2. This is the actual focus for me. No one likes to be misunderstood or have words put in their mouth they did not say or even think. I kind of feel that has been done somewhat, so just to clarify, I am reposting. Thanks.
Well don't misunderstand me. I make no excuses but it is not good to judge hearts. I fear my own would be condemned before what seems obvious since I know better and I knew better.
I have no problem pointing out the false and indeed, I believe scripture instructs us to do so. And yes I know how angry Paul was and the things he said against those who twisted the truth. Gullible people are a problem. Why is that?
You do know what scripture states about itching ears? Are these false teachers not sent out to scratch those ears? If not sent out, then what? (I am actually asking because the more I see, the more I could be in pain for all the falseness and those who seem to delight in the lies)
I am thinking of this:
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
II Thessalonians
Here God sends delusions. Give the people what they want. Says the same in Romans. God gives people over but yet we also know that He takes no delight in the death of the wicked.
I won't deny I am pretty introspective but it seems to me that things are being put on display and those with eyes to see and ears to hear are looking up and wondering. It is not the close of the age but I think possibly the curtains are being disturbed.
Listen. I totally understand what you are saying and I have no judgement for what you say.
Well don't misunderstand me. I make no excuses but it is not good to judge hearts. I fear my own would be condemned before what seems obvious since I know better and I knew better.
I have no problem pointing out the false and indeed, I believe scripture instructs us to do so. And yes I know how angry Paul was and the things he said against those who twisted the truth. Gullible people are a problem. Why is that?
You do know what scripture states about itching ears? Are these false teachers not sent out to scratch those ears? If not sent out, then what? (I am actually asking because the more I see, the more I could be in pain for all the falseness and those who seem to delight in the lies)
I am thinking of this:
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
II Thessalonians
Here God sends delusions. Give the people what they want. Says the same in Romans. God gives people over but yet we also know that He takes no delight in the death of the wicked.
I won't deny I am pretty introspective but it seems to me that things are being put on display and those with eyes to see and ears to hear are looking up and wondering. It is not the close of the age but I think possibly the curtains are being disturbed.
Listen. I totally understand what you are saying and I have no judgement for what you say.