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What you need for your position to be the case is where Paul gives this step by step . His whole 13 epistles should say what your saying ,if indeed the law is the goal, or the guidance to live the Christian life . Paul would say it ,because Paul is giving the instructions to the Body of Christ on how to live . What your saying is not matching what Paul says . Like I said . We all need to UNDERSTAND the purpose of the law in scripture. But your stuck looking at the sign that says 'LAW ' . Your staring at it . Its alluring, your like the one in Lord of the Rings '" precious!! Your like a deer in head lights " LAW !!" You can't see 'past 'it . To what it 'points 'to . Your trying to get people to stop going forward and to join you ,staring at sign " precious!! " ,to get people back UNDER it instead of moving to what it pointed to . Thats why you get the reaction you get . You probably think ,just like when conditional/ works salvation is preached , the reaction is our flesh, wanting to sin and is lashing out at Gods word ,but instead we want you to show were the bible SAYS what your teaching.
Not all a Christian's works are of God. For some, none of their works are of any spiritual worth to God. They may seem fine to the individual, and to others, but God has a different perspective.
The soul of man is remarkably powerful. It's what got us to the moon, built the Hoover dam and the Taj Mahal. Yet God carved something vastly more impressive. He formed the Grand Canyon, set the sun and stars in place and gave us this planet to live on. God is Spirit, not soul. His works are spiritual in nature. The soul of man functions according to natural desires - but the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14). They seem to be foolish to him.
This is not the same as the flesh, which is the physical desires and lusts of the body. The mind set on the flesh is hostile to God (Romans 8:7).
The problem with natural works is that they can be very successful. So they gain the respect and admiration of many, who support the work and the worker. I prefer not to name names, but many prosperity preachers fall into this category. Yet someone like missionary Margaret Barber, unknown to most, was a great influence on Watchman Nee, one of the most spiritual men of the last 100 years.
The soul of man is remarkably powerful. It's what got us to the moon, built the Hoover dam and the Taj Mahal. Yet God carved something vastly more impressive. He formed the Grand Canyon, set the sun and stars in place and gave us this planet to live on. God is Spirit, not soul. His works are spiritual in nature. The soul of man functions according to natural desires - but the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14). They seem to be foolish to him.
This is not the same as the flesh, which is the physical desires and lusts of the body. The mind set on the flesh is hostile to God (Romans 8:7).
The problem with natural works is that they can be very successful. So they gain the respect and admiration of many, who support the work and the worker. I prefer not to name names, but many prosperity preachers fall into this category. Yet someone like missionary Margaret Barber, unknown to most, was a great influence on Watchman Nee, one of the most spiritual men of the last 100 years.
There are three kinds of works in God's word. There are works that originate from God and are done in His power. They are works of faith, and acceptable to God. There are the works of the flesh, which are wicked and obvious to all believers. There is also work that is more difficult to discern, which is the result of man's natural talents and abilities, done apart from Christ.
For example, a brilliant businessman gets saved. He starts a charity, puts all his wealth into it and runs it according to what he thinks God would approve of. Now if God did not initiate this work, it is dead, no matter how good it looks.
On the other hand, George Mueller started an orphanage, basically with nothing. He never asked for a donation, relied entirely on God's supply and yet provided a home, food and education for 10,000 orphans. There is much more to his story, but you can read it for yourself.
For example, a brilliant businessman gets saved. He starts a charity, puts all his wealth into it and runs it according to what he thinks God would approve of. Now if God did not initiate this work, it is dead, no matter how good it looks.
On the other hand, George Mueller started an orphanage, basically with nothing. He never asked for a donation, relied entirely on God's supply and yet provided a home, food and education for 10,000 orphans. There is much more to his story, but you can read it for yourself.
Salvation according to Greek interpretation means "a deliverance". The scriptures teach that there is a "deliverance" (salvation) into eternal heaven that is by God's sovereign grace, without the works of mannkind, and there is a "deliverance" (salvation) that the born again children receive as they sojourn here on earth by their works.
When God births a person to a new spiritual life, he takes out the stony heart that does not contain a "spiritual conscience" that can be pricked by God, and puts a fleshy, spiritual, heart whose conscience can be pricked by God, such as those that were pricked in their heart on the day of Pentecost.
Someone Saved can easily skate by like the one who abuses food stamps that could work but finds every excuse not to.
Yeshua said there are rewards. Now grant it, just making it to Heaven is more Reward than most of us, especially myself, deserve. But all throughout our lives we are given ample chances and opportunities to show case our Works for God. Someone asks for money, that's an opportunity to mention God loves you as you hand them some cash. Someone needs their lawn mowed, that's an opportunity to witness about God. Someone thanks you for opening the door for them, that's an opportunity to tell them something positive about God. In these 3 examples, WORKS literally was saying God loves you, God is real and maybe you could join me at Church someday, I will keep you in Prayer. Works literally is not works at all, it simply is our decision to be a Witness for God, to be a good neighbor, to be a good friend. Works is not picking the trash up at Church although that is a necessary help. Too many people think Works mean just that, to WORK, and that is not what it means at all.
When the Pastor studies, preaches, takes phone calls, go to homes, prays, goes to the hospitals, prays, these are Godly Works that are NECESSARY. We should be doing these very works ourselves.
But it is true, you don't have to worship, don't have to pray for others, don't have to witness, don't have to do a single thing for anyone but yourself and be the most worthless example of Christ ever and still be Saved. But we all know WHO YOU ARE and want nothing to do with YOU!
Yeshua said there are rewards. Now grant it, just making it to Heaven is more Reward than most of us, especially myself, deserve. But all throughout our lives we are given ample chances and opportunities to show case our Works for God. Someone asks for money, that's an opportunity to mention God loves you as you hand them some cash. Someone needs their lawn mowed, that's an opportunity to witness about God. Someone thanks you for opening the door for them, that's an opportunity to tell them something positive about God. In these 3 examples, WORKS literally was saying God loves you, God is real and maybe you could join me at Church someday, I will keep you in Prayer. Works literally is not works at all, it simply is our decision to be a Witness for God, to be a good neighbor, to be a good friend. Works is not picking the trash up at Church although that is a necessary help. Too many people think Works mean just that, to WORK, and that is not what it means at all.
When the Pastor studies, preaches, takes phone calls, go to homes, prays, goes to the hospitals, prays, these are Godly Works that are NECESSARY. We should be doing these very works ourselves.
But it is true, you don't have to worship, don't have to pray for others, don't have to witness, don't have to do a single thing for anyone but yourself and be the most worthless example of Christ ever and still be Saved. But we all know WHO YOU ARE and want nothing to do with YOU!
These posts are so untrue and ridiculous. I would like to be able to post what I think the Lord sees when the Lord sees our work. The feedback from that is what "you claim to do" as if I am claiming to perform perfectly because I love the law, "we would have to obey all the law" "we are not under law". "you accuse" but very little about the law. One person put a sleep sign for a post in one place about law. It brought out a poster who has set up as my enemy, impossible to communicate with. So much for discussing law.
It sums up that I love the law, I think the Lord gave it to us out of His love for us and that is an unpopular thought. Popular thought centers on the negatives of the law, and Paul brought out negatives.
I tried to present the Jews who are condemned through not accepting Christ, yet blessed in how they achieve in this life through the culture habits of some of them who love and try to obey God's law. Wow, did that go over like a ton of bricks, I don't think any one poster even gave this a thought, only that they are not saved.
So posts must be on accepted subjects, and the idea of obeying law is not an accepted subject. There are truths about it accepted, as long as those truths are negative. At least it is truths that is brought out.
It sums up that I love the law, I think the Lord gave it to us out of His love for us and that is an unpopular thought. Popular thought centers on the negatives of the law, and Paul brought out negatives.
I tried to present the Jews who are condemned through not accepting Christ, yet blessed in how they achieve in this life through the culture habits of some of them who love and try to obey God's law. Wow, did that go over like a ton of bricks, I don't think any one poster even gave this a thought, only that they are not saved.
So posts must be on accepted subjects, and the idea of obeying law is not an accepted subject. There are truths about it accepted, as long as those truths are negative. At least it is truths that is brought out.
These posts are so untrue and ridiculous. I would like to be able to post what I think the Lord sees when the Lord sees our work. The feedback from that is what "you claim to do" as if I am claiming to perform perfectly because I love the law, "we would have to obey all the law" "we are not under law". "you accuse" but very little about the law. One person put a sleep sign for a post in one place about law. It brought out a poster who has set up as my enemy, impossible to communicate with. So much for discussing law.
It sums up that I love the law, I think the Lord gave it to us out of His love for us and that is an unpopular thought. Popular thought centers on the negatives of the law, and Paul brought out negatives.
I tried to present the Jews who are condemned through not accepting Christ, yet blessed in how they achieve in this life through the culture habits of some of them who love and try to obey God's law. Wow, did that go over like a ton of bricks, I don't think any one poster even gave this a thought, only that they are not saved.
So posts must be on accepted subjects, and the idea of obeying law is not an accepted subject. There are truths about it accepted, as long as those truths are negative. At least it is truths that is brought out.
It sums up that I love the law, I think the Lord gave it to us out of His love for us and that is an unpopular thought. Popular thought centers on the negatives of the law, and Paul brought out negatives.
I tried to present the Jews who are condemned through not accepting Christ, yet blessed in how they achieve in this life through the culture habits of some of them who love and try to obey God's law. Wow, did that go over like a ton of bricks, I don't think any one poster even gave this a thought, only that they are not saved.
So posts must be on accepted subjects, and the idea of obeying law is not an accepted subject. There are truths about it accepted, as long as those truths are negative. At least it is truths that is brought out.
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You don't love the law as you claim. If you ioved the law, you would lift Jesus higher than the iaw, which you don't, rather you go on and on about the law. You'd be more credible if you'd exalt Jesus as much as you exalted the law.
Again you don't love the law. Our Redeemer is the focal part of Scripture who redeemed us from the curse of the law.
They are blessed for the Fathers sake, not for any law keeping.
Romans 11:28 (KJV) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Doublespeak. Posts can be on anything you want them to be, just be prepared for the pushback when you talk crazy.
You don't love the law as you claim. If you ioved the law, you would lift Jesus higher than the iaw, which you don't, rather you go on and on about the law. You'd be more credible if you'd exalt Jesus as much as you exalted the law.
Again you don't love the law. Our Redeemer is the focal part of Scripture who redeemed us from the curse of the law.
They are blessed for the Fathers sake, not for any law keeping.
Romans 11:28 (KJV) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Doublespeak. Posts can be on anything you want them to be, just be prepared for the pushback when you talk crazy.