Woman can't teach in the congregation

proverbs35 · Mar 21, 2021

Wow, are we not tired of this old argument? I mean talk about beating a horse to death. smh I'm hoping all you men here yelling about women in the pulpit are regular church attenders yourself. Weekly, not monthly. Because in my years of travel in over a thousand churches, the women were the most faithful attendants and ran the church. In a church I attended they actually bought a large screen tv to watch the super bowl so men would attend on Sunday. I see a lot of judgmental comments, but in real life, the women are keeping the church doors open in many of these small town churches. And if a man won't come to pastor then there is no reason a woman can't. If you're so misogynist, and that's a word I hate to use, that you think that God can only use a man in the pulpit, you're mistaken. The Bible is speaking of a specific time and culture. You all believe whatever you feel you have to. But if there is no man to pastor are YOU willing to heed the call? We are all ministers of the Gospel. Forget the church house. The mission field is before you. What are you personally doing to win people to the Lord? Because in the churches I traveled in in every denomination, all of them, women far outweighed the men in attendance, in participation and faithfulness. Women are expected to do literally every job in the church but preach. Some people think way too much of themselves. smh

Pew research confirms what you have observed as you traveled and visited different churches.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pe...religious-than-their-male-counterparts/?amp=1

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Platosgal said:

(previously asked) Where is that in Scripture?

Platosgal said:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God.

Christ is over every man, but not every man is over every woman. That footnote [a] says, "or the woman is her husband". It's a marital relationship, not an ecclesial one, and has nothing to do with any other context.

1 Corinthians 11:8-12 says nothing whatsoever about leadership. Maybe you should not inject your agenda into the text, but allow the text to set your agenda.

Platosgal said:

Certainly, there are emotional/hysterical idiotic women who have been elected. The same goes for men. Is Bernie Sanders female? Your argument simply doesn't hold water.

Platosgal said:

I'll grant you those two, but they are American. In case you were unaware (and you certainly seem to be), the world doesn't end at the American border.

Platosgal said:

The View is a single example, and is not the media as a whole. Not by a long shot. If you continue to try to make sweeping generalizations on single examples, I'll have to dismiss you as hysterical.

Platosgal said:

What planet are you on? Which nations of the world have women been in charge of in the last 20 years? I can count two: Germany and New Zealand. I can only think of two others where women have ever been in charge: Great Britain and India. How many Fortune 500 companies have female CEO's, or predominantly female boards?

Platosgal said:

I am not arguing the current state of things. I am arguing that your assertion that current problems are all due to "feminization" is false. You make comments but provide no evidence.

Platosgal said:

I don't agree with your statement, but since you said it, you need to act on it. You can either recant, or you can continue commenting and be a hypocrite.

kaylagrl · Mar 21, 2021

proverbs35 said:

Boy if that doesn't say a lot about the state we're in today. smh But as I said, across all denominations I saw this. Even Catholic and United churches, others outside the evangelical circle.

Lucy-Pevensie · Mar 21, 2021

kaylagrl said:

Growing up it was always Mum who insisted that the family get to church on a Sunday. (Catholic)
My neighbour friend's family was the same. The mothers insisted that we all attend church. Even on Christmas!

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Platosgal said:

Slavery in the West was stopped by CHRISTIANS; their gender was irrelevant. The American Constitution was created by men, but that is quite thoroughly irrelevant to everything in this thread.

Hitler was stopped by a combination of COMMUNIST and non-Communist men, who were supported by WOMEN who stayed at home and worked the factories. If you think the war was won exclusively by "good men", you're profoundly ignorant.

Repeatedly posting bad arguments isn't helping your cause.

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

Your ignorance is deep and wide, and you're adding to the text of Scripture again.

Adults, male or female, are not accountable to their parents.

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

You can't refute my arguments, so you dismiss me with groundless slander. You are clearly incapable of defending your position.

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

oldhermit said:

Generally, I respect you and the input you share here. However, as you put a "Like" on Truth7t7's post #546 in which he conflated the terms "bishop/pastor" where the word pastor does not appear in the text, you lost credibility. You have no ground to complain about others "disregarding" Scripture when you applaud those who do the same thing. Get some integrity.

Lucy-Pevensie · Mar 21, 2021

Dino246 said:

Regarding the women in leadership, you forgot Gold Meir.
I want to add that Margaret Thatcher was a conservative, the last truly right wing leader we had!
The leftists, liberals & the unions hated her.

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Platosgal said:

Popularity has nothing to do with it. If I wanted to be popular, I would abandon a very unpopular interpretation on this subject.

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Lucy-Pevensie said:

You are correct; Israel was led by Golda Meir. There may have been a handful of others, but the vast majority of national and corporate leaders are male, and as we can see without looking to hard, very few male leaders exhibit upright, godly characteristics in their leadership.

Again, the problem is not gender, but sin.

Platosgal · Mar 21, 2021

Fair Enough

Platosgal · Mar 21, 2021

We are digressing from the actual subject
The subject IS

Can women "teach" in the congregation?

Bible answer is..... 1 Tim 2:12

Take it or leave it- the bible IS Clear
I accept the word of God
As truth
Period

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

Platosgal said:

That's the approach many readers take to this verse. However, it "IS Clear" that the words, "in the congregation" don't appear in that passage, but most readers, yourself included, insert them. Why?

Also, what is the context of Paul's words?

oldhermit · Mar 21, 2021

Dino246 said:

It has been my experience that most people who accuse others of departing from the context, could not find the context with both hands. Perhaps you should regail us with what you believe the context to be.

Incidentally, you are correct. The word
"congregation" does not appear in the 1 Timothy text. However, in 1 Cor. 14:26, Paul is very careful to point out that these restrictions for both men and women are to be observed "When you come together," thus, in the assembly.

Platosgal · Mar 21, 2021

You be you
I will stick with what the WHOLE word of God says

You are responsible for the harvest of your own walk
I have no say or interest in that harvest

Lucy-Pevensie · Mar 21, 2021

Platosgal said:

I think you started the digression by bringing in modern US politics and accusing all women for the problems therein.

I wonder if the Churches who stop women from teaching will get a special reward in heaven.

kaylagrl · Mar 21, 2021

Platosgal said:

Excuse me, I have female pastors in my family. I was in traveling ministry. Just what is the punishment for these women that dare to share the Gospel in the absence of a man to do the job? My great aunt began a church in her small community where there was none. Before long children were coming to Sunday school and parents came, a church was built that is there to this very day. It's had many pastors since. Why don't you all explain to me what the punishment will be for my aunt starting a church when revival hit and no one else was willing to. Just what do you expect the Lord will say on that day?! " You should have waited for a man??!" Seriously!! Answer me that question, the lot of you. Will the Lord condemn her for bringing in the lost? Bringing children to Sunday school to learn Bible stories? What part do you all expect the Lord will punish and condemn her for. So many people have left the church never to return began of dogmatic people that can't figure out where the Bible is being literal, and what was meant for our time. I wonder who the Lord will be more upset with on judgement day, I just wonder...

Dino246 · Mar 21, 2021

oldhermit said:

I asked Platosgal what the context is; I did not accuse her of departing from it. Therefore, I see no reason to regale anyone with anything. Besides, I have already explained the context, as I understand it, in this thread.

As for "congregation", the context was her comment about 1 Timothy 2, not 1 Corinthians 14.

In your view, how does 1 Corinthians 14:36 follow from verses 34-35?

oldhermit · Mar 21, 2021

Dino246 said:

I asked Platosgal what the context is; I did not accuse her of departing from it. Therefore, I see no reason to regale anyone with anything. Besides, I have already explained the context, as I understand it, in this thread.

As for "congregation", the context was her comment about 1 Timothy 2, not 1 Corinthians 14.

In your view, how does 1 Corinthians 14:36 follow from verses 34-35?

Are you asking me for an exegesis of 1 Cor 14:26-38?

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