Why so much confusion about salvation?
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It all started when a church was formed and lifted people onto platforms of sainthood so as to create idols of dead mortals, and then the facade of the dead church made itself something to believe in or else its authority would murder those opposed. When man could write what they labeled the word of God, the breath of God's actual spirit in the oral ministry that was delivered by first Jesus and then his appointed Apostles was corrupted.
The spirit within us is what leads us to all truth. Human ego's characteristics are many and yet one of those is that of possession. Let a human think they can play God and watch out. Or watch the news and see how that works out.
But let a human's ego be allowed to control mind, body, and spirit, and watch the world splinter into divisions wherein people are led to believe a church. Or they are led to be the church.
Jesus died to keep it simple.
Humans muck that up playing God.
The spirit within us is what leads us to all truth. Human ego's characteristics are many and yet one of those is that of possession. Let a human think they can play God and watch out. Or watch the news and see how that works out.
But let a human's ego be allowed to control mind, body, and spirit, and watch the world splinter into divisions wherein people are led to believe a church. Or they are led to be the church.
Jesus died to keep it simple.
Humans muck that up playing God.
We are not required to have faith. That verse does not state that either.
That we come into the faith of Jesus Christ and repent of our sins and are washed clean of them by his atoning sacrifice is all an act of faith. And God knows the genuineness of that because he calls us by name into his free gift of grace that is irrevocable. When we are in that covenant that is when we bear fruit. Because we have reconciled ourselves with the Kingdom that is within, as Jesus told us and where to find that. And we are then led by the spirit of all truth, God's Holy Spirit, to do His work, the work of God. We do not work for God because God and Jesus did that. We do the work of God on earth and that is what bears fruit. Because we are laying seeds down that are nourished through God's Holy Spirit to prosper and blossom into the good, Godly, works of God.
We do the work of God because we are saved eternally. Not to guarantee we are saved eternally.
That we come into the faith of Jesus Christ and repent of our sins and are washed clean of them by his atoning sacrifice is all an act of faith. And God knows the genuineness of that because he calls us by name into his free gift of grace that is irrevocable. When we are in that covenant that is when we bear fruit. Because we have reconciled ourselves with the Kingdom that is within, as Jesus told us and where to find that. And we are then led by the spirit of all truth, God's Holy Spirit, to do His work, the work of God. We do not work for God because God and Jesus did that. We do the work of God on earth and that is what bears fruit. Because we are laying seeds down that are nourished through God's Holy Spirit to prosper and blossom into the good, Godly, works of God.
We do the work of God because we are saved eternally. Not to guarantee we are saved eternally.
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Exactly.
So now, after a person is saved, [regenerated; Born Again], by grace through faith, and has a new nature that is empowered by the Spirit, that person now has a choice: To live according to the flesh, and practice the works of the flesh, or to live according to the Spirit, and practice righteousness.
- For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:8
Paul explains -
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:12-16
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey:
- whether of sin leading to death
- or of obedience leading to righteousness
Remember, Paul explained which Christians would receive eternal life at the outset of his letter to the Romans -
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:5-11
God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
- but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
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No it doesn't actually. You're misunderstanding what is being said there about faith. . Hebrews 11:1 teaches, "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
Romans 3:22–23
Romans 3:22–23
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One cannot truly believe unless he repents, and one cannot truly repent unless he believes. Repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin (but they are not synonymous terms). Acts 11:18 and 2 Peter 3:9 are two of the many verses that teach that repentance is necessary for salvation. Perhaps 2 Timothy 2:25 best sums up the relationship between repentance and saving faith when it speaks of "repentance to the acknowledging of the truth" (see also Acts 20:21).
What is repentance and how does it relate to salvation?
What is repentance and how does it relate to salvation?
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if we have not repented. we are still in self, and still in denial of the gospel truth. We have to repent first, then God can take that repentance and prove he is trustworthy, so we can come to trust him (yes God does all the work as he said in John 6) and call out on his name to be saved as the tax collector does.
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My perfection is in Christ. In Him there is no sin. As I enter into Him...aka put on the new man...aka put on the armour of light, I walk just as Jesus walked since I am IN Christ. The same works for every one who abides in Christ. This is the race of faith...to win Christ as Paul states. Do you understand what Paul was running after?