Why Moses and Elijah were at the transfiguration.

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F2F

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Jesus Christ did not require saving. If he had, then he would not have qualified to be God's Passover lamb, without spot or blemish.

Jesus DID require being resurrected, though. If God had not done so, Jesus would still be dead.
Boy O boy @VARob ....more contradiction

Let's leave it while shall we because I can see this is not a subject you have got a handle on at all.

I will pause for a while.

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Can you read over your post here - you have contradicted yourself.
No I haven't.

If Jesus required saving from death then he was condemned end of story!
The Bible NEVER describes Jesus Christ as being condemned, except by those who wanted him dead.

The fact he did not deserve death is the very Victory over that condemnation
The victory is in his resurrection.

Your contradiction is clear but I'm puzzled why you cant see it.

Blue vs. red is the contradiction.
There is no contradiction.

Maybe you dont understand how Paul uses the word condemned - maybe I need to explain that in more detail.
Paul NEVER describes Jesus as being condemned.
 

Marilyn

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Those could be two angels....

Jhn 20:12
And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Jhn 20:13
And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
Hi cv5,

Thank you, I do see that John says there were 2 angels who appeared to Mary, however Luke records what the women with the spices saw - 2 men.
 

cv5

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Jesus had to have our fallen nature otherwise you believe in a mascaraed!
A telling statement. I would urge everyone on the thread to mark it, be wary, and proceed with caution!
 
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Picture yourself standing.
The water is the feet.Walk on water right?
The spirit is the heart.
The blood is the head.And it's the cap stone.
The arms and legs are the poles, and the sockets holding them in are the 4 rings.
Then where's the crown of gold round about that represents the 12 tribes of Israel on the Ark of the Covenant?it's the ribs.
Remember,left side, and the back of our bodies are in the image of the old covenant, and the right side and front of our bodies are in the image of the new Covenant.12 ribs for each Covenant.Eve is in the image of the new Covenant.The blood came from the rib.

Matthew 23:37-39
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The crown of gold is gathered around about the mercy seat, and the two Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant.
Our hair is the curtain veil,revealing the divinity of Christ.
Where's the top lid of the Ark that represents the earth?It's us.We are from the dust.
The prophets of God get stoned in the flesh, and God stones them in the spirit to build his Church. At the head is the capstone.

This is why I'm starting to believe more and more that New Jerusalem is spiritual.
 
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Think about it.On earth as it is in heaven.In heaven,meaning the spiritual things.If Jesus is the head of the Church then keep your mind on the things of God.Otherwise you know who will want to replace him.When you don't have your mind on the things of God,the worldly mind takes over and goes to and fro walking the earth.
Don't be like satan when asked where did he come from.
Walk in the spirit,not in the world.
You can't escape the flesh.You were born of the flesh.We all fall short of the glory of God.
Our bodies need sleep.That means we also fall asleep in the spirit,everyday. You're always being tempted by satan,daily.
The mind keeps wanting to be of the world is what I'm saying and it wont stop till we are in our new bodies.
 

posthuman

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If the sting of death is sin
If the wages of sin is death
'if A then B' does not mean B implies A


His having laid down His life is not proof that He in the flesh was sinful and worthy of condemnation.
 

posthuman

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Romans 8:1-3 expressly states he was made sins flesh
Nope.

it expressly states He came "in the likeness of" sinful flesh.
Yet in Him is no sin.
That's why it says "in the likeness of"

If Christ was worthy of condemnation there is no salvation.
 
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"it is not possible that God should lie"

so clearly no; The Word of God cannot possibly be false.

Jesus is The Word of God.
If it wasn't possible for Jesus Christ to sin, then he wasn't really tempted.
 

posthuman

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Did Jesus need salvation?
If you say no - then you retain your god-man
This is you expressly denying the deity of Christ, right?

No wonder no Christian here agrees with you.
 

posthuman

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If it wasn't possible for Jesus Christ to sin, then he wasn't really tempted.
He wasn't.
God cannot be tempted nor does He tempt anyone.
He was "tested"

But there is another thread on that currently =]
 
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Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

God cannot be tempted nor does He tempt anyone.
That's right.

He was "tested"
If Jesus couldn't sin, how, exactly, was he tested?

But there is another thread on that currently =]
Right... But we're in this thread.. :)
 

F2F

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And if Jesus was tempted in all points as we are he must by this have our fallen nature otherwise how could God make a show of His righteousness in a nature not ours?

Again...a masquerade.