Why im not a calvinist (but want to be)
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I can provide vide a link to the sermon series if anyone is interested.
Additionally I think in one sense the Day of Atonement ceremony did atone for Israels sins in a corporate sense and kept it worthy as a place for Gods presence to reside but did nothing salvifically. I base this on Hebrews where it says it is impossible for the blood of animals to remove sin. For the faithful remnant within Israel ("those who draw near") it foreshadowed Jesus and his atoning sacrifice. This is a deep topic and I am sure I don't understand every nuance.
i also respect my Arminian brothers and their concerns. The only ones I have issues with are the ignorant who claim Reformed theology is Satanic. Their view is uninformed and based on a lack of understanding of the underlying issues.
I do not find Calvinism hard to accept, after all I accept a talking donkey and serpent. If God selects the saved and doomed regardless of the efforts of individuals, so be it. Who am I to object. At least on this issue my hands are clean. I will accept my fate, whether heaven or hell knowing I bear no guilt toward the state of my birth.
Right...being in error on certain issues won't get you in the car to start with (deity of Christ, etcetera), and being in error on other topics may result in ineffectiveness in some areas of your life. For instance, a strong view of God's sovereignty helps one to weather severe trials. I broke my neck, back, hip and knee in an auto accident seven months ago. I can't imagine going through that without a deep conviction of God's sovereignty in all aspects of my life, including the bad things, and that they serve a purpose. I was told that my calmness after the accident was unreal and bizarre. I attribute it to my confidence in God's sovereignty as well as spiritual provision. I am still not totally healed but I know it's going to work to my good somehow.
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Greetings to you dear reader.
I've noticed a lot of calvinists on this forum and while i disagree with EVERY SINGLE POINT of the TULIP I still would like to BE a calvinist, why and how on earth can I say that?
Because I think its a doctrine that breeds security, it doesnt matter even if I dont present the gospel in the most eloquent words, if that person is pre-destined he will believe anyway, Lord will save His own no matter what we do or dont do.
But therein lies the danger, does it stop people from striving and make them just chillax and fallback? It should, but then you look at someone like Spurgeon, didnt stop him from preaching, I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND why would Spurgeon spend a minute of his time preaching, knowing the elect will be saved regardless.
My favorite sister in Christ on this forum is Angela, shes a calvinist if my conclusions on her posts are correct, Id like her or someone else knowledgeble in the topic to explain to me these following HUGE problems i have with calvinism:
1. If men are totally depraved, why does God continue to command us to repent, and change, if we cant do it? isnt that a complete nonsense to ask people to do something they cant do? Look at Nineveh and Jonah, they repented and God repented of the judgment. Surely we can decide to do evil or good? (free will???)
2. If all the elect are saved regardless if we evangelize, why bother doing it as much?
3. Limited atonement now this one i think simply goes to war against scripture, 1 john 2:2 comes to mind, scripture says Christ died for the world many times, and I think it takes a lawyer like John Calvin to twist something this simple. Also when evangelizing how can you say "Jesus died for you" if you dont know he/she is elect?
4. We see people resist the Holy Ghost in the bible, so irresistable grace HOW? Acts 7:51
5. Now this is probably the only point I got no beef with lol (perseverence of the saints)
(PS; Sorry for a long post, i just wanted to make a separate thread instead of bickering in other people's threads
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I've noticed a lot of calvinists on this forum and while i disagree with EVERY SINGLE POINT of the TULIP I still would like to BE a calvinist, why and how on earth can I say that?
Because I think its a doctrine that breeds security, it doesnt matter even if I dont present the gospel in the most eloquent words, if that person is pre-destined he will believe anyway, Lord will save His own no matter what we do or dont do.
But therein lies the danger, does it stop people from striving and make them just chillax and fallback? It should, but then you look at someone like Spurgeon, didnt stop him from preaching, I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND why would Spurgeon spend a minute of his time preaching, knowing the elect will be saved regardless.
My favorite sister in Christ on this forum is Angela, shes a calvinist if my conclusions on her posts are correct, Id like her or someone else knowledgeble in the topic to explain to me these following HUGE problems i have with calvinism:
1. If men are totally depraved, why does God continue to command us to repent, and change, if we cant do it? isnt that a complete nonsense to ask people to do something they cant do? Look at Nineveh and Jonah, they repented and God repented of the judgment. Surely we can decide to do evil or good? (free will???)
2. If all the elect are saved regardless if we evangelize, why bother doing it as much?
3. Limited atonement now this one i think simply goes to war against scripture, 1 john 2:2 comes to mind, scripture says Christ died for the world many times, and I think it takes a lawyer like John Calvin to twist something this simple. Also when evangelizing how can you say "Jesus died for you" if you dont know he/she is elect?
4. We see people resist the Holy Ghost in the bible, so irresistable grace HOW? Acts 7:51
5. Now this is probably the only point I got no beef with lol (perseverence of the saints)
(PS; Sorry for a long post, i just wanted to make a separate thread instead of bickering in other people's threads
)
Sorry; I look at that post and my mind suddenly goes on hyperactivity and freezes
. I might be able to come back and answer in little bits if it gets going again.But good for you for believing perseverance of the saints! In my experience, that's one of the ones people can't agree on and I'm like...WHAT??
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Denial of the gospel at death, but even then we aren't completely sure in every case. If you had read my first post on this thread, it would clear most confusion up.
Do I know that I am an elect? Well, it is the same question as do I believe and remain abiding in the person and work of Jesus Christ alone for my salvation to and reconciliation with God? Only the elect come to embrace Christ. But even then, the apostle warns us to "be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election" (2 Peter 1:10), and so it sobers us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith.
Do I know that I am an elect? Well, it is the same question as do I believe and remain abiding in the person and work of Jesus Christ alone for my salvation to and reconciliation with God? Only the elect come to embrace Christ. But even then, the apostle warns us to "be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election" (2 Peter 1:10), and so it sobers us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith.
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Not gonna happen. I tossed out calvin and his bogus "theology" at least 20 years ago after doing a comprehensive study. Last thing I tossed out was futurism in the form of dispensationalism.
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