That's basically what I said! The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant.
Yes, And the land promise is part of that covenant;
1. The land was given to Abraham, And God promised he would make in this land a great nation
Gen 12: To
a land that I will show you. 2
I will make you a great nation;
2. He tells us the boundary of the land he would give him.
Gen 15: 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
3. He gave Abraham, and his descendants all the land, as an everlasting or eternal gift.
Rev 17: 8 Also
I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
In all of this, He also said he would be the father of many nations.. but this is separate from this one nation
However, both the Covenants of Circumcision and the Law of Moses are conditional.
Yes, In order to live in the land promised. in order to live in peace as God promised. God gave them the law. and said you will be blessed if you follow my commands
here, again Lev 26 answers all your questions. If they obey...
26 ‘You
shall not make idols for yourselves;
neither a carved image nor a
sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves;
nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it;
for I am the Lord your God.
2
You shall [a]keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary:
I am the Lord. 3 ‘
If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them,
4 then
I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 5
Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing;
you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. 6 I
will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid; I will rid the land of evil beasts, and the sword will not go through your land.
this is what they must do to enjoy the land given to them
But if they do not do this, and disobey, then there are 7 proceeding groups of disciplines God will impose on them to try to get them to repent. The final form of discipline, as I showed. is total destruction of their cities and high places. they will be removed from the land. and taken as slaves to the land of their enemies. where they will be made slaves.
And this happened 3 times in the past
1. Assyria destroyed th enorthern kingdom of Israel
2. Babylon destroyed the southern kingdom of Judah
3. Rome destroyed the totality of Israel in 70 AD. and it remains desolate even until today.
But even after this, Jesus said, If you repent, and confess. i will remember my covenant.
The mosaic covenant does not overule the abrahamic covenant.
So, how did God remove Israel's ability to obey the Mosaic Law Covenant, i.e. use the Land?
Lev 26 explains this. Did you even read it?
Also, God kept his promise in Lev 26:45, since he brought both Israel and Judah back to the land twice -- once after the Assyrian captivity and once after the Babylonian captivity.
Actually the northern kingdom was never brought back. It will not be brought back until the future when the bones are restored to life. and God brings these two nations together again, and back to the land, and they will not sin their sins anymore or commit their trespasses anymore. (ezek 37)
Judah was removed, then Judah was brough back into the land, but they were never restored. He just allwed them back into the land as slaves..
There's nothing in Lev 26 that proves me wrong.
There is nothing there that proves you right, However. it does prove what I have been saying to be correct.
In fact, the chapter and the chapters 28 and 29 in Deut all prove me right: that obedience to the Mosaic Law Covenant was absolutely required to remain in the land.
Which is what I have been saying since we first started talking. do you listen to what others are saying?
this is not the argument, the argument is that God is done with Israel.
Nothing you posted here proves me wrong..
Nothing you have posted proves me wrong.. Yawn
I already proved that the Land was a type of spiritual rest that is only found in Christ.
That does not negate the fact that the land was an unconditional gift. And as Paul said, the gifts of God are irrevocable
I guess you didn't understand Heb 4:8? Do you even know when God spoke "LATER about another [different] day" (obviously later than Joshua and therefore later than the Law was given? And do you know what God promised when he spoke later about another day? And I have proven that "everlasting" or "forever" is often used in the limited sense. What you fail to understand is that the Land was given to Abraham's special seed, which consisted of his natural and spiritual descendants -- with the latter always being God's small remnant!
This is what happens when you Dispens read the OT back into the New! You absolutely get everything backwards. The OT, logically and biblically, must be understood in the scheme of progressive revelation, whereby the NT (or more precisely the New Covenant) more fully reveals the Old through all its many antitypes. The NC is hidden in the Old and Old is revealed in the New. And we see this truth displayed in Gal 3 thru 5, whereby Paul explains the Abrahamic Covenant through the lens of the NC. For your info, the New Covenant is the only true eternal covenant (containing no types!) since in eternity the three persons of the Godhead covenanted together to save mankind. And this NC, which Christ himself embodies, will never end either!
You're so enamored by the gifts and blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant, such as the Land, that you can't see, along with Paul, that Christ is the locus of that covenant. He's at the epicenter of the covenant. He's the warp 'n' of all scripture because the central purpose to the Abrahamic Covenant was so God would make a people for himself through which the promised "seed of the woman" (Gen 3:15) would come into this world so that her "seed" would one day save mankind and crush the head of the serpent! You cannot see the sheer beauty and majesty of the forest, not to mention the incomprable wisdom of God, in his eternal redemptive plan for mankind, because you have your nose so firmly planted in the material blessings instead of the One from whom all blessings flow, i.e. Christ! The physical land that you're so excited and ecstatic about was just a necessary prop in God's grand plan. The physical land was needed so that a physical people would have a place to live in the world. The Law of Moses was neccessary so that the phsycial people could become a peculair nation governed by God's incomprable law. The nation was needed so that the promisef Messiah would have a definite identity with a patricular people. And to make the promised Messiah's identity more certain to all in the world, it was necessary for him to be identified with a particular tribe within that nation. And to narrow it down even further so that there would be absolutely no mistaking the true identity of the Messiah when he arrived in this world, God ordained his Son's family line. An awful lot of phsycial stuff was planned by God so that at the right time, He could get to the real spiritual substance of his salvation -- Christ! Christ is the antitype to both the Sabbath rest AND the Land rest. So Christ is where or focus should be.
Even when God promised Abraham that he would make a great nation from him, so many think God was ultimately referring to Israel or even to Ishmael. But he wasn't! He was alluding, according to the NT, to the NC Church, which is the Body of Christ! Israel was just a vehicle to get to the Body of Christ! Israel was the God-ordained means to the end. Ditto for all the physyical blessings and promises -- they were all means to the utlimate spiritual substance -- Christ! None of this implies that God has now discared Israel like an old rag because Israel has served its purpose. As Paul teaches in Rom 9 thru 11, "all Israel will be saved", according to election. All true Israel that is in phsycial Israel will be saved. The children of the promise will still be saved but not the children according to mere natural descent. Natural descent means nothing spirituall! But at the same time Abraham's spriritual seed consists of one people -- all in the world who have his faith. And this one people share one eternal, spiritual destiny!
non of this proves your point, or proves me wrong.
The gift of God is irrevokable. God did nto take the land promise and give it to the church
He has not renigged on his promise to israel
They will repent. and God will restor them just like he said he would..
