Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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I could argue this is bearing false witness, certainly laziness in knowing theology and understanding
the sincerity of people. I cannot bear false witness against gnostic beliefs, I understand them, I just
do not accept scripture teaches them or is a valid interpretation.
It is like the prodigal son could always be saved, and sin could be all forgiven for the world, past
present and future, except future sin forgiven is not in scripture anywhere. So to construct such
ideas is conjecture, dangerous conjecture, as it does not make sense.
the sincerity of people. I cannot bear false witness against gnostic beliefs, I understand them, I just
do not accept scripture teaches them or is a valid interpretation.
It is like the prodigal son could always be saved, and sin could be all forgiven for the world, past
present and future, except future sin forgiven is not in scripture anywhere. So to construct such
ideas is conjecture, dangerous conjecture, as it does not make sense.
Because I believe that salvation can be lost by me, I can not believe in one repentance for a lifetime of sin with a guarantee of eternal life 1. because it makes me feel like I am telling God, I have accepted, now I am saved, you will take me, you have no more choice, I can do anything in the flesh I want 2. I feel the holy Spirit working strong in my life, but my flesh is an awesome opponent. I can not let my flesh think that it has any sort of free ride not even for a second. It takes me a while to rejoice in the "evils" that befall me and to find the "gift" I was actually given. My flesh would love it, My Spirit, won't allow it. 3. I am not even an inch closer than I was a week or two ago. There has been nothing put forth that has even given me pause. As a matter of fact, I am even more solid than I was before these conversations all started. I am fairly certain I have heard and read every verse that both sides has to offer and have been used in defense (many of them many times).
This has made me search out the reason for this divide and so far these are the reasons I have started examining.
1. As a many membered body, all coming from different beginnings, with different backgrounds, different influences, different gifts from God, different levels of capture, I believe that God knows and does things I can not comprehend and that every person is on a "God willed" journey of their own, and if God didn't want so many possible conclusions, He would have given us better brains or written in a more basic language for one sure interpretation.
2. As more and more "educated" people get involved and technology makes every detail available to everyone and even with that the same issues as 2000 yrs ago haven't changed. If it was indeed written for the foolish and we are dissecting it, we are back to the garden and just like Satan did, finding the letter of it, not keeping the Spirit of it. From the garden to the birth of our Lord, the Spirit of the Law was completely removed and it was back to "the letter of the law again".
Jesus absolutely said "IT ISN'T THE LETTER OF THE LAW, you stupids, it is the SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT THE SPIRIT"
I AM going to make a huge gesture and get rid of the "stone writings that man insists on using against each other and I am going to write it inside, on the mind so you will know it and have the confidence to know when standing upon this solid foundation and on the heart so HOPEFULLY some of you will understand it is ALL ABOUT " to FEEL it and to FEEL THE LOVE OF IT and to FEEL the place of LOVE that it came from and the life of LOVE it is leading to".
I am responsible for BECOMING a better, more like Christ person. I must put this flesh in obedience with the help of the Spirit and if I can do that, God will know HE can count on me when I am in my celestial body to reign with Christ for the Lords Day.
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Hebrews 5:8 Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
If God, the Son, while in the flesh learned obedience, and became the author unto them that obey, I thank God daily for the Comforter, the Holy Spirit that I depend on to keep me on that path, who without, I would not stand a chance. For me the Holy Spirit is "this little souls, this little creations of God, with free will person to make choices along the way's Guide, but the work is all mine as I progress toward perfection hopefully, mostly on my own, knowing full good and well that even doing my absolute best, compared to the righteousness I will be meeting, it is all just filthy rags. But you know what? I am going to have a lot of filthy rags. As many as I can. Worst thing gonna happen is they all get tossed in the trash as I walk on past. But what if, and I can hope, those filthy rags get washed? What if???
He wills me as He wills. I don't feel the "will God has for you" I only feel the "will He has for me". I have learned a lot, a lot, a lot these past couple weeks. Nothing anyone was trying to teach me though. But none the less, I rejoice and Praise the Lord.
or and most likely, the most simple answer,
3. Satan. The spiritual war is a lot more intense than I ever gave it credit for, but not anymore.
This has made me search out the reason for this divide and so far these are the reasons I have started examining.
1. As a many membered body, all coming from different beginnings, with different backgrounds, different influences, different gifts from God, different levels of capture, I believe that God knows and does things I can not comprehend and that every person is on a "God willed" journey of their own, and if God didn't want so many possible conclusions, He would have given us better brains or written in a more basic language for one sure interpretation.
2. As more and more "educated" people get involved and technology makes every detail available to everyone and even with that the same issues as 2000 yrs ago haven't changed. If it was indeed written for the foolish and we are dissecting it, we are back to the garden and just like Satan did, finding the letter of it, not keeping the Spirit of it. From the garden to the birth of our Lord, the Spirit of the Law was completely removed and it was back to "the letter of the law again".
Jesus absolutely said "IT ISN'T THE LETTER OF THE LAW, you stupids, it is the SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT THE SPIRIT"
I AM going to make a huge gesture and get rid of the "stone writings that man insists on using against each other and I am going to write it inside, on the mind so you will know it and have the confidence to know when standing upon this solid foundation and on the heart so HOPEFULLY some of you will understand it is ALL ABOUT " to FEEL it and to FEEL THE LOVE OF IT and to FEEL the place of LOVE that it came from and the life of LOVE it is leading to".
I am responsible for BECOMING a better, more like Christ person. I must put this flesh in obedience with the help of the Spirit and if I can do that, God will know HE can count on me when I am in my celestial body to reign with Christ for the Lords Day.
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Hebrews 5:8 Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
If God, the Son, while in the flesh learned obedience, and became the author unto them that obey, I thank God daily for the Comforter, the Holy Spirit that I depend on to keep me on that path, who without, I would not stand a chance. For me the Holy Spirit is "this little souls, this little creations of God, with free will person to make choices along the way's Guide, but the work is all mine as I progress toward perfection hopefully, mostly on my own, knowing full good and well that even doing my absolute best, compared to the righteousness I will be meeting, it is all just filthy rags. But you know what? I am going to have a lot of filthy rags. As many as I can. Worst thing gonna happen is they all get tossed in the trash as I walk on past. But what if, and I can hope, those filthy rags get washed? What if???
He wills me as He wills. I don't feel the "will God has for you" I only feel the "will He has for me". I have learned a lot, a lot, a lot these past couple weeks. Nothing anyone was trying to teach me though. But none the less, I rejoice and Praise the Lord.
or and most likely, the most simple answer,
3. Satan. The spiritual war is a lot more intense than I ever gave it credit for, but not anymore.
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1 not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works
Heb 6
Dead works are works that lead to death, ie evil deeds, works of sin.
Some interpret this to mean works of righteousness that are done for self justification and not Jesus.
Once you introduce the concept that good deeds can be evil, you turn morality on its head. And this
is very dangerous, and wrong. Good deeds are good deeds, and the world is under judgement because of
evil deeds, murder, theft, sexual immorality, lying, bearing false testimony, envy, coveting etc
Once people start to change their view of love and righteousness, they are lost. Any child will tell you
what is good and what is evil. It is this innocence upon which the Kingdom is based.
God bless you
Heb 6
Dead works are works that lead to death, ie evil deeds, works of sin.
Some interpret this to mean works of righteousness that are done for self justification and not Jesus.
Once you introduce the concept that good deeds can be evil, you turn morality on its head. And this
is very dangerous, and wrong. Good deeds are good deeds, and the world is under judgement because of
evil deeds, murder, theft, sexual immorality, lying, bearing false testimony, envy, coveting etc
Once people start to change their view of love and righteousness, they are lost. Any child will tell you
what is good and what is evil. It is this innocence upon which the Kingdom is based.
God bless you
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It makes no sense to me that "having begun [in the Spirit]" occurs more than once, repeatedly, over and over again...
"Definition: to begin, to make a beginning
Usage: I begin (in), make a beginning, commence."
It's not the same as what the second half of the verse is conveying. (Gal3:3).
And remember what Col2:10 says, "And you are complete [PERFECT tense] in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority,"
https://biblehub.com/text/colossians/2-10.htm ["complete [PERFECT tense]" (represented by the "R" in the right-hand column)]--(this would be positional/legal truths)
"Definition: to begin, to make a beginning
Usage: I begin (in), make a beginning, commence."
It's not the same as what the second half of the verse is conveying. (Gal3:3).
And remember what Col2:10 says, "And you are complete [PERFECT tense] in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority,"
https://biblehub.com/text/colossians/2-10.htm ["complete [PERFECT tense]" (represented by the "R" in the right-hand column)]--(this would be positional/legal truths)
We need to make every (effort) to enter the narrow door. We can pray to God to help us put to death the misdeads of the body. (Matthew 26, 41)There is effort on our part. Closing our eyes and praying to God is "effort" reading our bibles is "effort".
Without Jesus our effort is self righteousness. But with Jesus our effort isnt self righteousness. Putting an effort into our relationships to God- Is love for God. Spending time with God is love for God. But it does require some "effort". Just like any other "marriage".
Luke 13:24-30 New International Version (NIV)
24 “(Make every effort to enter through the narrow door), because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.
We also have Jesus to help us aswell
Matthew 26:41 New International Version (NIV)
41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Romans 8:12-13 New International Version (NIV)
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live
Without Jesus our effort is self righteousness. But with Jesus our effort isnt self righteousness. Putting an effort into our relationships to God- Is love for God. Spending time with God is love for God. But it does require some "effort". Just like any other "marriage".
Luke 13:24-30 New International Version (NIV)
24 “(Make every effort to enter through the narrow door), because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.
We also have Jesus to help us aswell
Matthew 26:41 New International Version (NIV)
41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Romans 8:12-13 New International Version (NIV)
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live
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Narrow gate
99 % of all religions teach that salvation is a process of us obeying Gods commands. And it is through our obedience that eternal life is assured and gained.
Only 1 religion on earth states that mans sins are so severe that he can not live up to the standards of a holy and righteous God. So God in his true love sent his own son, to do what we could nto do. That through his obedience, we might be saved.
So which one is the narrow Gate?
99 % of all religions teach that salvation is a process of us obeying Gods commands. And it is through our obedience that eternal life is assured and gained.
Only 1 religion on earth states that mans sins are so severe that he can not live up to the standards of a holy and righteous God. So God in his true love sent his own son, to do what we could nto do. That through his obedience, we might be saved.
So which one is the narrow Gate?
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Here you go room
When someone continues to lie about others. Continues to act in a way where she can not even answer the questions of the very passage she is using to defend herself. And continues to be called out for these things this is how they act.
Once again, To all NOSAS people. This person is hurting your belief system, You should do something about this.
When someone continues to lie about others. Continues to act in a way where she can not even answer the questions of the very passage she is using to defend herself. And continues to be called out for these things this is how they act.
Once again, To all NOSAS people. This person is hurting your belief system, You should do something about this.
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1Jn 3:6 (ESV) No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
What have to do a person to not "keeping on sinning" but working out his own salvation? We all are sinners, but some of us need to fight hard against our weaknesses to not "keeping on sinning" ...
I know my fight or its results are not that what make me saved ... but I can't stop fighting and give myself to sin waiting that practicing sin any faith can save me.
What have to do a person to not "keeping on sinning" but working out his own salvation? We all are sinners, but some of us need to fight hard against our weaknesses to not "keeping on sinning" ...
I know my fight or its results are not that what make me saved ... but I can't stop fighting and give myself to sin waiting that practicing sin any faith can save me.
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I am warning you of your divisive behavior once-
Titus 3:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
Titus 3:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
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