Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

[Duckybill]

And where in that is people being tortured forever? The fire is never quenched and worm doesn't die but it doesn't say the people don't die, does it? Do you even read the verses you post? Have you read what Jesus said?

John_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life ; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Do you know what not seeing life means? "shall not see life" means will not be alive.


So, no, no one is going to stay alive in hell fire. It's never been true. It was made up scare people into going to church and paying money so church leaders could get rich.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:41-46 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

 

[rayzor]

some spirits such as perhaps [ the spirit of blindness] can only be cast out by prayer and fasting mark 9:29

 

[rayzor]

isa 66:24 their worn shall never die and neither shall their fire be quenched

 

[rayzor]

consider jacobs a worm and the son of man a worm disliked by the people man also is a worn

 

[rayzor]

isa 66:24 they shall go forth,and look upon the carcases of the man that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die,neither shall their fire be quenched: and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Magenta]

Mark 9:43-48 (NKJV)
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 46 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire-- 48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

Have you cut off your hands and feet, and gouged your eyes out yet?

However do you mange to see the monitor and type in the message box???

 

[ewq1938]

isa 66:24 they shall go forth,and look upon the carcases of the man that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die,neither shall their fire be quenched: and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Carcasses are dead bodies. Worms eating them means those bodies are not on fire. People are burning bodies but there are so many that aren't yet to be burned so worm has much to devour. This isn't about lake of fire in NT.

 

[Magenta]

"Forever"

 

[TheLearner]

Isaiah 66:24

Easy-to-Read Version



24 “Whoever goes out of the city will see the dead bodies of those who sinned against me. The worms eating those bodies will never die, and the fires burning them will never go out. It will be horrible to anyone who sees it.”

The fire in the grave and after the judgement is not like fire on earth.

I did not see anyone who answered the Nero question, but I have not read all the posts yet.

 

[TheLearner]

And yet they are no longer burning

In the grave, they are.

 

[TheLearner]

Yes, the second death is everlasting... unlike the first

Isaiah 66:24

Easy-to-Read Version



24 “Whoever goes out of the city will see the dead bodies of those who sinned against me. The worms eating those bodies will never die, and the fires burning them will never go out. It will be horrible to anyone who sees it.”

 

[TheLearner]

i agree with you oyster67,

but surely you know the error of the idea hell is not an eternal place of torment is unbiblical. Those playing word semantics with

forever, eternal, day and night while taking the words of Jesus out of context is very disturbing.

Isaiah 66:24

Easy-to-Read Version



24 “Whoever goes out of the city will see the dead bodies of those who sinned against me. The worms eating those bodies will never die, and the fires burning them will never go out. It will be horrible to anyone who sees it.”

 

[TheLearner]

I am not confused by the term "everlasting punishment" at all. The second death is everlasting punishment. Death was given as the promised punishment from Genesis throughout the rest of the Bible, from start to finish. However and unfortunately, many reject death as punishment. Just as they reject the plainly spoken truth that man is mortal and puts on immortality only through faith in Christ.

it is clear that eternal means eternal, not part time.​

◄ 166. αἰώνιος (aiónios) ►

Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Greek: 166. αἰώνιος (aiónios) — 71 Occurrences
Matthew 18:8 Adj-ANS
GRK: πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον
NAS: and be cast into the eternal fire.
KJV: to be cast into everlasting fire.
INT: fire eternal
Matthew 19:16 Adj-AFS
GRK: σχῶ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: that I may obtain eternal life?
KJV: that I may have eternal life?
INT: I might have life eternal
Matthew 19:29 Adj-AFS
GRK: καὶ ζωὴν αἰώνιον κληρονομήσει
NAS: and will inherit eternal life.
KJV: and shall inherit everlasting life.
INT: and life eternal will inherit
Matthew 25:41 Adj-ANS
GRK: πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον τὸ ἡτοιμασμένον
NAS: from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire
KJV: into everlasting fire,
INT: fire eternal which has been prepared
Matthew 25:46 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον οἱ δὲ
NAS: will go away into eternal punishment,
KJV: into everlasting punishment:
INT: into punishment eternal moreover
Matthew 25:46 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: but the righteous into eternal life.
KJV: into life eternal.
INT: into life eternal
Mark 3:29 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἔνοχός ἐστιν αἰωνίου ἁμαρτήματος
NAS: but is guilty of an eternal sin--
KJV: is in danger of eternal damnation:
INT: guilty is [of] eternal sin
Mark 10:17 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἵνα ζωὴν αἰώνιον κληρονομήσω
NAS: shall I do to inherit eternal life?
KJV: that I may inherit eternal life?
INT: that life eternal I might inherit
Mark 10:30 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἐρχομένῳ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: and in the age to come, eternal life.
KJV: the world to come eternal life.
INT: is coming life eternal
Mark 16:20 Adj-GFS
GRK: κήρυγμα τῆς αἰωνίου σωτηρίας ἀμήν
INT: preaching of eternal salvation Amen
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[TheLearner]

Luke 10:25 Adj-AFS
GRK: ποιήσας ζωὴν αἰώνιον κληρονομήσω
NAS: shall I do to inherit eternal life?
KJV: shall I do to inherit eternal life?
INT: having done life eternal will I inherit
Luke 16:9 Adj-AFP
GRK: εἰς τὰς αἰωνίους σκηνάς
NAS: they will receive you into the eternal dwellings.
KJV: you into everlasting habitations.
INT: into the eternal dwellings
Luke 18:18 Adj-AFS
GRK: ποιήσας ζωὴν αἰώνιον κληρονομήσω
NAS: shall I do to inherit eternal life?
KJV: shall I do to inherit eternal life?
INT: having done life eternal will I inherit
Luke 18:30 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἐρχομένῳ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: and in the age to come, eternal life.
KJV: to come life everlasting.
INT: is coming life eternal
John 3:15 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: will in Him have eternal life.
KJV: but have eternal life.
INT: might have life eternal
John 3:16 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: but have eternal life.
KJV: but have everlasting life.
INT: might have life eternal
John 3:36 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον ὁ δὲ
NAS: has eternal life;
KJV: the Son hath everlasting life: and
INT: has life eternal he that moreover
John 4:14 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: springing up to eternal life.
KJV: springing up into everlasting life.
INT: into life eternal
John 4:36 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἵνα ὁ
NAS: for life eternal; so
KJV: unto life eternal: that both
INT: unto life eternal that he that
John 5:24 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ εἰς
NAS: Me, has eternal life,
KJV: me, hath everlasting life, and
INT: has life eternal and into
John 5:39 Adj-AFS
GRK: αὐταῖς ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἔχειν καὶ
NAS: that in them you have eternal life;
KJV: think ye have eternal life: and
INT: them life eternal to have and
John 6:27 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἣν ὁ
NAS: which endures to eternal life,
KJV: endureth unto everlasting life, which
INT: unto life eternal which the
John 6:40 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ ἀναστήσω
NAS: in Him will have eternal life,
KJV: him, may have everlasting life: and
INT: should have life eternal and will raise up
John 6:47 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: has eternal life.
KJV: me hath everlasting life.
INT: has life eternal
John 6:54 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον κἀγὼ ἀναστήσω
NAS: has eternal life,
KJV: blood, hath eternal life; and
INT: has life eternal and I I will raise up
John 6:68 Adj-GFS
GRK: ῥήματα ζωῆς αἰωνίου ἔχεις
NAS: You have words of eternal life.
KJV: thou hast the words of eternal life.
INT: [the] words of life eternal you have
​

 

[TheLearner]

John 10:28 Adj-AFS
GRK: αὐτοῖς ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ οὐ
NAS: and I give eternal life
KJV: give unto them eternal life; and
INT: them life eternal and never
John 12:25 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον φυλάξει αὐτήν
NAS: will keep it to life eternal.
KJV: unto life eternal.
INT: to life eternal will keep it
John 12:50 Adj-NFS
GRK: αὐτοῦ ζωὴ αἰώνιός ἐστιν ἃ
NAS: that His commandment is eternal life;
KJV: is life everlasting: whatsoever I
INT: of him life eternal is What
John 17:2 Adj-AFS
GRK: αὐτοῖς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: Him, He may give eternal life.
KJV: that he should give eternal life to
INT: to them life eternal
John 17:3 Adj-NFS
GRK: ἐστιν ἡ αἰώνιος ζωὴ ἵνα
NAS: This is eternal life,
KJV: is life eternal, that they might know
INT: is eternal life that
Acts 13:46 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἑαυτοὺς τῆς αἰωνίου ζωῆς ἰδοὺ
NAS: unworthy of eternal life,
KJV: unworthy of everlasting life,
INT: yourselves of eternal life Behold
Acts 13:48 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: appointed to eternal life
KJV: ordained to eternal life believed.
INT: to life eternal
Romans 2:7 Adj-AFS
GRK: ζητοῦσιν ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: and immortality, eternal life;
KJV: and immortality, eternal life:
INT: are seeking life eternal
Romans 5:21 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον διὰ Ἰησοῦ
NAS: righteousness to eternal life
KJV: righteousness unto eternal life by
INT: to life eternal through Jesus
Romans 6:22 Adj-AFS
GRK: τέλος ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: and the outcome, eternal life.
KJV: and the end everlasting life.
INT: [the] end [is] life eternal
Romans 6:23 Adj-NFS
GRK: θεοῦ ζωὴ αἰώνιος ἐν Χριστῷ
NAS: of God is eternal life
KJV: of God [is] eternal life
INT: of God life eternal in Christ
Romans 16:25 Adj-DMP
GRK: μυστηρίου χρόνοις αἰωνίοις σεσιγημένου
INT: of [the] mystery in times of the ages having been kept secret
Romans 16:26 Adj-GMS
GRK: ἐπιταγὴν τοῦ αἰωνίου θεοῦ εἰς
NAS: to the commandment of the eternal God,
KJV: to the commandment of the everlasting God,
INT: [the] commandment of the eternal God for
2 Corinthians 4:17 Adj-ANS
GRK: εἰς ὑπερβολὴν αἰώνιον βάρος δόξης
NAS: is producing for us an eternal weight
KJV: more exceeding [and] eternal weight
INT: to excessiveness an eternal weight of glory
2 Corinthians 4:18 Adj-NNP
GRK: μὴ βλεπόμενα αἰώνια
NAS: but the things which are not seen are eternal.
KJV: not seen [are] eternal.
INT: not seen eternal
2 Corinthians 5:1 Adj-AFS
GRK: οἰκίαν ἀχειροποίητον αἰώνιον ἐν τοῖς
NAS: not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
KJV: not made with hands, eternal in
INT: a house not made with hands eternal in the
Galatians 6:8 Adj-AFS
GRK: θερίσει ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: reap eternal life.
KJV: reap life everlasting.
INT: will reap life eternal
2 Thessalonians 1:9 Adj-AMS
GRK: τίσουσιν ὄλεθρον αἰώνιον ἀπὸ προσώπου
NAS: the penalty of eternal destruction,
KJV: shall be punished with everlasting destruction
INT: will suffer destruction eternal from [the] presence
2 Thessalonians 2:16 Adj-AFS
GRK: δοὺς παράκλησιν αἰωνίαν καὶ ἐλπίδα
NAS: us and given us eternal comfort
KJV: hath given [us] everlasting consolation
INT: having given [us] comfort eternal and hope

 

[TheLearner]

1 Timothy 1:16 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: believe in Him for eternal life.
KJV: to life everlasting.
INT: to life eternal
1 Timothy 6:12 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἐπιλαβοῦ τῆς αἰωνίου ζωῆς εἰς
NAS: take hold of the eternal life
KJV: lay hold on eternal life,
INT: Lay hold of eternal life to
1 Timothy 6:16 Adj-NNS
GRK: καὶ κράτος αἰώνιον ἀμήν
NAS: To Him [be] honor and eternal dominion!
KJV: and power everlasting. Amen.
INT: and might eternal Amen
2 Timothy 1:9 Adj-GMP
GRK: πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων
NAS: Jesus from all eternity,
INT: before time eternal
2 Timothy 2:10 Adj-GFS
GRK: μετὰ δόξης αἰωνίου
NAS: Jesus [and] with [it] eternal glory.
KJV: Jesus with eternal glory.
INT: with glory eternal

 

[TheLearner]

Titus 1:2 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἐλπίδι ζωῆς αἰωνίου ἣν ἐπηγγείλατο
NAS: in the hope of eternal life, which
KJV: In hope of eternal life, which
INT: [the] hope of life eternal which promised
Titus 1:2 Adj-GMP
GRK: πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων
KJV: promised before the world began;
INT: before time eternal
Titus 3:7 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἐλπίδα ζωῆς αἰωνίου
NAS: to [the] hope of eternal life.
KJV: according to the hope of eternal life.
INT: [the] hope of life eternal

 

[TheLearner]

Philemon 1:15 Adj-AMS
GRK: ὥραν ἵνα αἰώνιον αὐτὸν ἀπέχῃς
NAS: that you would have him back forever,
KJV: thou shouldest receive him for ever;
INT: a time that eternally him you might possess
Hebrews 5:9 Adj-GFS
GRK: αἴτιος σωτηρίας αἰωνίου
NAS: Him the source of eternal salvation,
KJV: the author of eternal salvation
INT: author of salvation eternal
Hebrews 6:2 Adj-GNS
GRK: καὶ κρίματος αἰωνίου
NAS: of the dead and eternal judgment.
KJV: of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
INT: and of judgment eternal
Hebrews 9:12 Adj-AFS
GRK: τὰ ἅγια αἰωνίαν λύτρωσιν εὑράμενος
NAS: having obtained eternal redemption.
KJV: having obtained eternal redemption
INT: the holy place eternal redemption having found
Hebrews 9:14 Adj-GNS
GRK: διὰ πνεύματος αἰωνίου ἑαυτὸν προσήνεγκεν
NAS: who through the eternal Spirit offered
KJV: who through the eternal Spirit offered
INT: through [the] Spirit eternal himself offered
Hebrews 9:15 Adj-GFS
GRK: κεκλημένοι τῆς αἰωνίου κληρονομίας
NAS: the promise of the eternal inheritance.
KJV: the promise of eternal inheritance.
INT: having been called of the eternal inheritance
Hebrews 13:20 Adj-GFS
GRK: αἵματι διαθήκης αἰωνίου τὸν κύριον
NAS: the blood of the eternal covenant,
KJV: the blood of the everlasting covenant,
INT: [the] blood of [the] covenant eternal the Lord
1 Peter 5:10 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς τὴν αἰώνιον αὐτοῦ δόξαν
NAS: who called you to His eternal glory
KJV: unto his eternal glory by
INT: to the eternal of him glory
2 Peter 1:11 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς τὴν αἰώνιον βασιλείαν τοῦ
NAS: the entrance into the eternal kingdom
KJV: into the everlasting kingdom
INT: into the eternal kingdom of the
1 John 1:2 Adj-AFS
GRK: ζωὴν τὴν αἰώνιον ἥτις ἦν
NAS: and proclaim to you the eternal life,
KJV: shew unto you that eternal life, which
INT: life eternal which was
1 John 2:25 Adj-AFS
GRK: ζωὴν τὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: He Himself made to us: eternal life.
KJV: hath promised us, [even] eternal life.
INT: life eternal
1 John 3:15 Adj-AFS
GRK: ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἐν αὐτῷ
NAS: murderer has eternal life abiding
KJV: murderer hath eternal life abiding
INT: has life eternal in him
1 John 5:11 Adj-AFS
GRK: ὅτι ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἔδωκεν ὁ
NAS: has given us eternal life,
KJV: hath given to us eternal life, and
INT: that life eternal gave
1 John 5:13 Adj-AFS
GRK: ζωὴν ἔχετε αἰώνιον τοῖς πιστεύουσιν
NAS: that you have eternal life.
KJV: that ye have eternal life, and
INT: life you have eternal who believe
1 John 5:20 Adj-NFS
GRK: καὶ ζωὴ αἰώνιος
NAS: is the TRUE God and eternal life.
KJV: God, and eternal life.
INT: and life eternal
Jude 1:7 Adj-GNS
GRK: δεῖγμα πυρὸς αἰωνίου δίκην ὑπέχουσαι
NAS: the punishment of eternal fire.
KJV: the vengeance of eternal fire.
INT: an example of fire eternal [the] penalty undergoing
Jude 1:21 Adj-AFS
GRK: εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον
NAS: Jesus Christ to eternal life.
KJV: Christ unto eternal life.
INT: unto life eternal
Revelation 14:6 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἔχοντα εὐαγγέλιον αἰώνιον εὐαγγελίσαι ἐπὶ
NAS: having an eternal gospel
KJV: having the everlasting gospel
INT: having [the] glad tidings everlasting to preach on

 

[TheLearner]

One goes from the clear texts like my last 3-4 posts to the less clear like "second death".

The same word eternal is used for punishment, God being eternal and eternal life.
If you choose to limit one, you have also put a limit on God himself and eternal life.

…6And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day. 7 In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in the same way these dreamers defile their bodies, reject authority, and slander glorious beings.…
Berean Study Bible · Download

The clear context of Jude 1:7 is undergoing current punishment.
https://biblehub.com/jude/1-7.htm

"Physical death is the separation of the body from the spirit. Spiritual death, the way all of us are born, is the spiritual separation of each of us from God. Eternal death, or the second death, is the eternal separation of a person from God. There is no escape from the second death. "
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_107.cfm

 

[TheLearner]

it is a biblical error to allegorize the word of God. Hell is a real literal place Jesus said so.

The reason why you are so greatly in error is

1. Jesus said the place hell would be one of the eternal consequences. Matthew 13:42 18:8 Mark 9:47-48
2. If hell is not an eternal place the payment of Christ was done for nothing. You have just made the death of Christ to no effect why did HE have to die such a terrible death to keep us from a place that is not that bad?
3. I guess the devil really has nothing to worry about and his work of trying to get people to a place he was told he would be going to is just figurative, not real.

4. You are making Jesus is a liar

Matthew 13:42
Easy-to-Read Version
42 They will throw them into the place of fire. There the people will be crying and grinding their teeth with pain.



Jude 7
Easy-to-Read Version
7 Also, remember the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other towns around them. Like those angels they were full of sexual sin and involved themselves in sexual relations that are wrong. And they suffer the punishment of eternal fire, an example for us to see.

Note: suffer the punishment is present tense. It is not clear if the people or angels are suffering the eternal fire. It could be both angels and people are suffering the fire.


2 Thessalonians 1:9
Easy-to-Read Version
9 They will be punished with a destruction that never ends. They will not be allowed to be with the Lord but will be kept away from his great power.

Destruction is more likely a cause of someone's ruin.


Matthew 25:41
Easy-to-Read Version
41 “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.

The demons will be in eternal fire. This is the same fire of Matthew 25:46

Matthew 18:8
Easy-to-Read Version
8 “If your hand or your foot makes you sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose part of your body and have eternal life than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the fire that burns forever.

If one goes out of existence in that fire, there is no reason for it to keep burning. But, the text clearly says it burns forever.