Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?
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You guys believe in immortal soul too. Just for the saved. 
I could quote the same verse and say eternal life isnt eternally existing cause hey, only God is immortal. Thats not how we do it.
I could quote the same verse and say eternal life isnt eternally existing cause hey, only God is immortal. Thats not how we do it.
For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
1 Corinthians 15:53-54
For me it is very easy to see the difference... we attain to life ever after through faith alone.
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Satan doesn't 't have a body. How can he have ashes? Read the whole chapter again. It is about an evil ruler and his kingdom who seems to be possessed by Satan. He is the one who will fall and it is a prophecy that was fulfilled like the fall of a great evil ruler like Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon
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Yes he does. All angels have bodies. He is a fallen archangel.
The passage is about satan not a human man.
Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
Ezekiel 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
How many people were in the garden of God and had been an anointed Cherub?
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Again this is written to a Cherub not a human. Only (called the serpent) matches the person in this passage.
The passage is about satan not a human man.
Ezekiel 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
Ezekiel 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
How many people were in the garden of God and had been an anointed Cherub?
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Again this is written to a Cherub not a human. Only (called the serpent) matches the person in this passage.
Eternal suffering really destroys the image of a loving God.
The death of the unsaved including Satan, will be complete death for ever and ever.
Why would God burn people for ever and ever? Why would God make people suffer for eternity because they were bad for 70 years? That is an unfair God.
The death of the unsaved including Satan, will be complete death for ever and ever.
Why would God burn people for ever and ever? Why would God make people suffer for eternity because they were bad for 70 years? That is an unfair God.
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Thats merely humanistic thinking. Western 21st century modern interpretations of men.
Why would we send someone to prison for 25years for being "bad" for 5minutes? That is an unfair prison system.
The issue is who you offend, if you spit on a regular joe, you will at most get a black eye, if you spit on the king of a country, its a different story.
Now imagine if you spit on the King of the universe and that is why the punishment is so "out of proportion" to our human minds.
Just the fact that we are living today shows God is very "out of proportion" and "unfair" from a human perspective. Would we ever punish someone's descendants for thousands of years after they disobeyed us once? No. But that is exactly what God did to Adam and Eve, and we are still feeling the effects of that till this day. Babies are born with terrible illnesses and deformities, people are just suffering, animals are suffering. Thats not fair, why did God curse the animals as well who did nothing? Why did God drown the animals during the noah's flood? Thats not fair, thats animal abuse. we need to call PETA on God.
See all this is just humanism, its the way we perceive fair and just, and how WE would do it. We are not God and we do not decide whats what.
Why would we send someone to prison for 25years for being "bad" for 5minutes? That is an unfair prison system.
The issue is who you offend, if you spit on a regular joe, you will at most get a black eye, if you spit on the king of a country, its a different story.
Now imagine if you spit on the King of the universe and that is why the punishment is so "out of proportion" to our human minds.
Just the fact that we are living today shows God is very "out of proportion" and "unfair" from a human perspective. Would we ever punish someone's descendants for thousands of years after they disobeyed us once? No. But that is exactly what God did to Adam and Eve, and we are still feeling the effects of that till this day. Babies are born with terrible illnesses and deformities, people are just suffering, animals are suffering. Thats not fair, why did God curse the animals as well who did nothing? Why did God drown the animals during the noah's flood? Thats not fair, thats animal abuse. we need to call PETA on God.
See all this is just humanism, its the way we perceive fair and just, and how WE would do it. We are not God and we do not decide whats what.
Oh really? Wow what a new age religion approach to God's word.
You are right...it is not a good end.
You are attempting PC..it won't work.
Why the flood?
Why burning the city?
Why,why,why,why?
Study scripture and your conclusion must change.
God is a forgiving, loving, helping God. That has nothing to do with His commandments.
Remember, there is no PC in the Bible.
You are right...it is not a good end.
You are attempting PC..it won't work.
Why the flood?
Why burning the city?
Why,why,why,why?
Study scripture and your conclusion must change.
God is a forgiving, loving, helping God. That has nothing to do with His commandments.
Remember, there is no PC in the Bible.
If you are on this earth ...you are not saved.
At best you have repented, been baptized and are living a righteous life....born again.
We are only saved when God says we have complied with His commandments and are awarded such status...that is after we die......remember..."it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement".
If you are ....saved...what are you being judged for?... (....ed on a word means a lot...makes it history).
The Bible says ...in no less than 13/14 times...apply common sense.
