Why do "bible believing" Christian use "reality" to justify what they believe?
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Again, you have failed to prove the doctrine itself as being false.
You are only pointing to HOW it is being used and the MOTIVE behind it.
The scripture is still there, saying the same thing, untouched.
You continue to dance around the heart of the doctrine, without actually confronting it head on.
If I have put my faith is say, Jn 3:16, then you need to go directly to Jn 3:16 and tare it apart to get me to change my mind.
You can tell me till you're blue in the face how, "that salvation thing don't work, I said the sinner's prayer and I'm still a doubting sinner", it won't do any good, because my faith is in and on the rock.
Do you know what the rock and sand represent?
The rock is the word/promises of God, and the sand is everything but the word of God.
God's word is sure, this natural world and the people who live in it, are not.
SO STOP LOOKING AT THE WORLD AND THE PEOPLE IN IT, AND START FOCUSING YOUR SIGHTS AND ATTENTION ON THE LIVING WORD OF GOD.
People and the world will fail you, but God and His word WON'T.
You are only pointing to HOW it is being used and the MOTIVE behind it.
The scripture is still there, saying the same thing, untouched.
You continue to dance around the heart of the doctrine, without actually confronting it head on.
If I have put my faith is say, Jn 3:16, then you need to go directly to Jn 3:16 and tare it apart to get me to change my mind.
You can tell me till you're blue in the face how, "that salvation thing don't work, I said the sinner's prayer and I'm still a doubting sinner", it won't do any good, because my faith is in and on the rock.
Do you know what the rock and sand represent?
The rock is the word/promises of God, and the sand is everything but the word of God.
God's word is sure, this natural world and the people who live in it, are not.
SO STOP LOOKING AT THE WORLD AND THE PEOPLE IN IT, AND START FOCUSING YOUR SIGHTS AND ATTENTION ON THE LIVING WORD OF GOD.
People and the world will fail you, but God and His word WON'T.
I do not need to call a doctrine a doctrine of the devil.. I can play it safe and just declare it un-biblical.. I do fear for people who jump to throw this accusation on any doctrine they do not think is from God.. People throw this around like confetti and the danger is they will declare a doctrine that is of the Holy Spirit to be a doctrine of the devil.. And we know that people who do this are blaspheming the Holy Spirit and they shall never have forgiveness in this world or the next.. So people be very very very cautious.. You may be wrong in your thoughts..
I have heard of the WOF prosperity doctrines.. Is this what you are referring to when you say "words of faith"?
Not going to comment on the doctrine until i am sure what doctrine you are actually talking about..
We ask the Holy Spirit is it from Him.. Is it the truth..
James 1: KJV
5- "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. {6} But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."
I have heard of the WOF prosperity doctrines.. Is this what you are referring to when you say "words of faith"?
Not going to comment on the doctrine until i am sure what doctrine you are actually talking about..
We ask the Holy Spirit is it from Him.. Is it the truth..
James 1: KJV
5- "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. {6} But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."
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If we who call ourselves "Christians" (sorry, I prefer to use the term "BELIEVERS" but that might be subject for another thread)
are claiming to be following Christ and His examples, then we need to look at Matthew 4 where Jesus was tempted by Satan himself.
Did He say "well, it has been my experience that if this happens that this will be the results....."
NO!
What Jesus said EVERY TIME was "IT IS WRITTEN"
so, when it comes to dividing what is biblical truth and what is man made doctrine we should be looking to the Word with the same declaration "It is written......"
are claiming to be following Christ and His examples, then we need to look at Matthew 4 where Jesus was tempted by Satan himself.
Did He say "well, it has been my experience that if this happens that this will be the results....."
NO!
What Jesus said EVERY TIME was "IT IS WRITTEN"
so, when it comes to dividing what is biblical truth and what is man made doctrine we should be looking to the Word with the same declaration "It is written......"
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I am one that uses reality to give truth to scripture. Case in point, when people ask "Why is there so much evil in the world?" I simply state the fall of creation and how the Earth itself became cursed. I also imply how lucifer's dominion is upon the Earth and not in hell(Not to be confused with Greek mythology of Hades being the ruler of the underworld).
No, word of faith is word of faith, and prosperity is prosperity.
Yes, you can use words of faith to obtain prosperity, but you can also use it to curse yourself, family, and others, as well.
To put it another way, you HAD TO use WOF to get saved when you received Christ in your heart.
Without WOF, there is no salvation for many.
Jesus said, "Take no thought SAYING..."
Romans 10:8-10, explains what word of faith is and how it works for one's salvation, but the same principal can be applied to just about anything.
Yes, you can use words of faith to obtain prosperity, but you can also use it to curse yourself, family, and others, as well.
To put it another way, you HAD TO use WOF to get saved when you received Christ in your heart.
Without WOF, there is no salvation for many.
Jesus said, "Take no thought SAYING..."
Romans 10:8-10, explains what word of faith is and how it works for one's salvation, but the same principal can be applied to just about anything.
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Jesus said in John 14: 6
He was the way the truth and the life. the text in the Greek reads like this some say " I am the only way, the only truth, and the only life apart from ME you have none of it.
NO, Jesus, you have no truth, no life, and no way.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom & Knowledge. The relationship with Christ is paramount. This issues you speak are nothing new, they have been done since the creation of man and women. they repeated the word of God and did so incorrectly
Eve did
Cain did.
Moses did
David did
Samson did
The devil
and many more.
Jesus came to testify of the truth. AS Christian we aRE TO BUILD OUR UNDERSTANDING around Jesus. Not build around the current world condition and make Christ fix into our reality. HE does not conform to our thinking. Jesus transforms ours.
How do we know it it is God? From the Word of God is correct?
- you must be born again, saved, regenerated by grace through faith in Jesus
- have the Holy Spirit empowerment to be a witness as acts 1:8 says ( Jesus speaking)
- study the word of God and pray
- testimony of God
- our understanding must do the following of Gods word:
- Bring Glory to God not man
- Be true
- Build up the Body of Christ
- restore
- comfort
- set free
- equip to do the will of God
- transform the mind of the person
- confirmed by God when it is spoken by one getting saved, healed delivered
- Expose the works of the devil
If your Doctrine does this, it is clear the God of the Bible is in agreement and blessing that ministry
No, you did the opposite of what I said many do.
What you did was use scripture to explain reality.
That is right and good, and exactly what we should be doing, NOT THE REVERSE.
Many use reality to form a doctrine from their failures, and not from the bible.
In fact, they reject or ignore many verses in the bible, because it contradicts their experiences, but will instead point to reality to prove their doctrine to be true.
Again, they use examples of reality to form their doctrine, ALWAYS pointing to natural events, to prove, validate, or give authority to, their version.
What you did was use scripture to explain reality.
That is right and good, and exactly what we should be doing, NOT THE REVERSE.
Many use reality to form a doctrine from their failures, and not from the bible.
In fact, they reject or ignore many verses in the bible, because it contradicts their experiences, but will instead point to reality to prove their doctrine to be true.
Again, they use examples of reality to form their doctrine, ALWAYS pointing to natural events, to prove, validate, or give authority to, their version.
To understand this phenomenon, one needs to see that within a major part of Christendom the Holy Bible is NOT the final and absolute authority in spiritual, religious, or practical Christian matters. There are many factors which have contributed to this (and it would take a very lengthy post to get into the details), but overall Christendom is in a state of apostasy -- a departure from the truth and from from the faith.
This does not mean that Christians should simply throw up their hands in despair. Those who wish to make the Bible -- God's Word -- the final authority in their lives and in their church, should do so with full confidence. There will always be a faithful remnant on earth.
This does not mean that Christians should simply throw up their hands in despair. Those who wish to make the Bible -- God's Word -- the final authority in their lives and in their church, should do so with full confidence. There will always be a faithful remnant on earth.
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The Parable of the Weeds
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Notice where the tares or children of the wicked one are?
AMONG THE WHEAT or in the church with the children of God.
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I hate to admit it, but I use this simple basic scriptural truth to judge a person, whether they are of God or not.
The bible says the children of the devil CANNOT receive the truth of God's word, and this is not the meat of God's word, where the baby Christians can't handle it, but it is basic milk.
Even baby Christians should be able to digest this.
WOF is what Paul talk ALL soon to be new converts.
I honestly believe they think or believe they are saved, going to heaven, when they are not.
Just like the Jews of Jesus' time on earth.
They acted holy, most of the time, but their true colors started to show when true holiness came on the scene.
The bible says the children of the devil CANNOT receive the truth of God's word, and this is not the meat of God's word, where the baby Christians can't handle it, but it is basic milk.
Even baby Christians should be able to digest this.
WOF is what Paul talk ALL soon to be new converts.
I honestly believe they think or believe they are saved, going to heaven, when they are not.
Just like the Jews of Jesus' time on earth.
They acted holy, most of the time, but their true colors started to show when true holiness came on the scene.