For the benefit of myself and all the members of CC, I would like to hear both sides of the argument. I'll start off by taking a side and see what the other side has to say. Please understand that my purpose is not to push a belief but to listen to both sides of a super important concept.
Romans 11: 5 Even so, then , at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Do we elect ourselves or does someone else do the choosing?
Romans 11: 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more of grace: otherwise work is no more work.
We are saved because of God's grace. If we give ourselves the credit for choosing, is it still an election of grace or is it because of something that we did? Are we taking glory that belongs to God and giving it to ourselves?
it’s an invitation and our response will determine our end it’s not Gods fault if we don’t respond to his call saying Grace doesn’t change anything in the gospel. God has sent the same call
Out to all creatures
“And he said unto them, Go ye into
all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that
believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s no other path to salvation but to hear and believe the gospel and respond accordingly arguing that grace means nothing else applies is defeating the purpose of those sentences plucked from doctrine talking about Grace
if we have no choice , Godnis responsible for every evil we do , and he is also responsible for every person who suffers and ends up in hell his will is nothing like that
everything in the world is not of God
“
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.
If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For
all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And
the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but
he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
1 John 2:15-17 KJV
it’s always been a choice man makes God created us that way , Satan then took our freedom away but Christ has given us the power to choose life again it’s detrimental when “ grace” eliminates the doctrine it belongs in
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19
Not Gods fault a choice offered
“Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
that’s an offer and the other side of it
“He that
rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And
I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50
Life is before us and death . If we believe the gospel we’re going to be saved , if we reject the gospel we’re going to be lost and God is waiting for us to make the choice
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
he’s waiting for us to repent but not forever he’s never going to force our hand he’s told us the truth and given us a way home but not if we constantly reject it
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