Where is John the Apostle now?
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I think sometimes we read something and maybe not understand exactly what was being said. The KJV is the only version I use but can be confusing. Also, when we think we understand something, and another person validates that thought it becomes factual in our minds when in reality both were wrong.
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I have to challenge that claim to victory.
I mean, I wouldn't say that these passages mean that Abraham was looking forward to dying (and going to heaven).
Hebrews 11
8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, without knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the promised land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God....
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13All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth...
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16Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
And isn't this the city prepared as a bride adorned for her husband written of in Rev 21?
Rev 21
2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.…
John himself wrote, "No one has ascended into heaven except the One that has descended from heaven- the Son of Man (John 3:13).
And Paul wrote in Acts 2
32God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’
We have to be resurrected, as Jesus was, before we can enter into heaven, and that event has yet to happen for everyone else.
Indeed, we who are alive and remain will be gather together with those who preceded us in death...
So until then, nobody's currently in heaven except Jesus.
And we will see Him come in the same manner as they saw Him go.
I mean, I wouldn't say that these passages mean that Abraham was looking forward to dying (and going to heaven).
Hebrews 11
8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, without knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the promised land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God....
and
13All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth...
and
16Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
And isn't this the city prepared as a bride adorned for her husband written of in Rev 21?
Rev 21
2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.…
John himself wrote, "No one has ascended into heaven except the One that has descended from heaven- the Son of Man (John 3:13).
And Paul wrote in Acts 2
32God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’
We have to be resurrected, as Jesus was, before we can enter into heaven, and that event has yet to happen for everyone else.
Indeed, we who are alive and remain will be gather together with those who preceded us in death...
So until then, nobody's currently in heaven except Jesus.
And we will see Him come in the same manner as they saw Him go.
I think it might happen this way:
When the soul of a Christian separates from the body, it gets whisked straight through time to the rapture event, in the twinkling of an eye. That would seem to sync with the Scriptures pretty well, don't you think?
When the soul of a Christian separates from the body, it gets whisked straight through time to the rapture event, in the twinkling of an eye. That would seem to sync with the Scriptures pretty well, don't you think?
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in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed... nobody's been raised incorruptible yet.
Apart from the sure promise of eternal life, and that offered to tripart? beings, how can we be alive without a body? Since separation of the spirit from the body results in death? Scripture does not say, "Jesus breathed out His air," when He died?
Apart from the sure promise of eternal life, and that offered to tripart? beings, how can we be alive without a body? Since separation of the spirit from the body results in death? Scripture does not say, "Jesus breathed out His air," when He died?