Where is John the Apostle now?

[Sipsey]

In verse 23, John specifically denies that Jesus meant he would not die. John's soul is in heaven, while his body is buried somewhere.

He ain’t listening.

 

[VARob]

Where is John the Apostle now?

Dead, awaiting the rapture.

 

[oyster67]

In John 21.22, Jesus says that John would remain alive until He returns. So, where is John now? Where has he been? Did Jesus keep anyone else alive? John is the oldest living person if it's just him, at over 2000 years old. So, where is he? Wouldn't he be in the news? Wouldn't he be out preaching and healing people and working wonders and miracles?

I think he is either one of two things: 1. being held captive somewhere. or 2. in hiding somewhere. Those are the only explanations I can come up with for not knowing his whereabouts.

He is living in a little cottage outside Amsterdam.

Seriously...Now let's see what the passage actually says...


John 21:22 Context

19This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. 20Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? 24This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. 25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Dino246]

This thread exemplifies the practice of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and yelling "Blah Blah Blah!" when others offer sound correction.

Proverbs has a word for people who do this.

 

[posthuman]

At least I learned that the Mormons believe he's still alive, thanks to posthuman.

yay!

i was useful

it is an interesting topic, this question, thank you

 

[oyster67]

This thread exemplifies the practice of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and yelling "Blah Blah Blah!" when others offer sound correction.

Proverbs has a word for people who do this.

I'm going to try and give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he was just trying to make a funny.

Good night, Johnboy.

 

[DanielJosephBoucher]

In verse 23, John specifically denies that Jesus meant he would not die. John's soul is in heaven, while his body is buried somewhere.

The argument is not that John would not die, but that John hasn't died yet.

 

[oyster67]

The argument is not that John would not die, but that John hasn't died yet.

A silly jest doth not an argument make.

 

[Cameron143]

A silly jest doth not an argument make.

Surely you jest.

 

[Magenta]

Surely you jest.

Don't Call Me Shirley

 

[Cameron143]

Don't Call Me Shirley

Great movie. Somehow I'm not surprised you have a clip handy.

 

[DanielJosephBoucher]

A silly jest doth not an argument make.

Silly jest? I'm not jesting. I'm not being silly. Surely, you jest.

 

[Mem]

In discussion concerning the identity of John the Revelator in relation to John the Apostle, the Church historian of Caesaria, Eusebius, who takes the posiiton that distinguishes two John's, wrote, "This shows that the statement of those is true, who say that there were two persons in Asia that bore the same name, and that there were two tombs in Ephesus, each of which, even to the present day, is called John's."

 

[Magenta]

In discussion concerning the identity of John the Revelator in relation to John the Apostle, the Church historian of Caesaria, Eusebius, who takes the posiiton that distinguishes two John's, wrote, "This shows that the statement of those is true, who say that there were two persons in Asia that bore the same name, and that there were two tombs in Ephesus, each of which, even to the present day, is called John's."

Only two? .

 

[posthuman]

It was something that looked tl and I was going to skip over but
after seeing how you ended it like that? Yeah. I read it. Not drivel!

sometimes it takes a lot of words to make a point -- it's a balancing act; if you don't go through the argument and make the quotes, no one will believe you for lack of persuasion and evidence. but if you do, no one will read it because it's more than a paragraph or two.

@Pilgrimshope made the same argument earlier in the thread, more briefly, but because his posts are often long they are also often skipped - no matter how worth reading they actually are
((here → post #14))

 

[Pilgrimshope]

sometimes it takes a lot of words to make a point -- it's a balancing act; if you don't go through the argument and make the quotes, no one will believe you for lack of persuasion and evidence. but if you do, no one will read it because it's more than a paragraph or two.

@Pilgrimshope made the same argument earlier in the thread, more briefly, but because his posts are often long they are also often skipped - no matter how worth reading they actually are
((here → post #14))

Yeah I lack the skills to shorten what I’m trying to say it’s always seemed strange I mean the demand to say something in a couple sentences because the Bible is a big huge book that’s very convincing because it’s so repetetive and these so many details on each subject that change the meaning and contexts

 

[Cameron143]

Yeah I lack the skills to shorten what I’m trying to say it’s always seemed strange I mean the demand to say something in a couple sentences because the Bible is a big huge book that’s very convincing because it’s so repetetive and these so many details on each subject that change the meaning and contexts

Dinner gets cold while you are asking God's blessings upon His gifts no doubt.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Dinner gets cold while you are asking God's blessings upon His gifts no doubt.

yes six to ten minutes to read and consider something in a Bible discussion forum is a big ask for some folk , I could shorten my posts considerably by leaving out the quotes of scripture that show what I’m talking about but I don’t think that’s a trade worth making

the way I see it in this forum there are short posts and long posts and posts in between and people who want the short posts have those available people who want to discuss and take in a few paragraphs have that available

and then old fools like myself can rant and rave lol and go “quote happy “ and then People have a choice , to read and discuss whatever they wish it’s a good place in that way even if we think “ hey this one guys posts are too long “ then here’s ten other people who agree and write short posts to interact with.

seems like we have different ways of speaking and I think it’s alright there’s a limit within the forum rules anything within that should be acceptable based on our ability to interact with a post or scroll past to one we find acceptable in length or presentation or idea or whatever the case

I wonder why so many people say “ I would read the Bible but I just don’t understand what it says “

whenever God had somethkng to say to mankind that was important , he had a man who was chosen and close to him wrote it down and preserve it so future generations could hear his word as Christian’s we should be sharing and discussing his word and the Bible’s a big book with a lot of credible witnesses

 

[NotmebutHim]

I'll be meeting Elvis for lunch next week. Wish me luck!

 

[DanielJosephBoucher]

He's alive. John's alive.