when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
That is the war that has been from the beginning, taking the TRUTHS that found in "IT IS WRITTEN" and putting someMans or even Satans spin on them. That is what we are to fight against. Short cuts and the reason for so many false prophets.
No one can deny that once saved it is eternal. IN THE END that is one of Gods Truths
yet those who defend it don't realize 'the doctrine' is but another one of the traditions of man.
If God wanted us teaching OSAS he would have left out all the IFs, something else no one can deny. So with every short cut a lie may be formed. Every word not taught as 'it is written' falls under the same problem.
What IS WRITTEN about OSAS
Philippians 3:10 That I may know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 NOT AS THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, either were already perfect but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
THAT IS HOW WE ARE TAUGHT TO TEACH.
SO YOU SEE, OSAS falls under HATH GOD SAID and it is a manner of MAN SPEAK, SO US, Christs men who are to spread the good news, should not be teaching it. It is a doctrine that makes void the words of God, at the very least a whole bunch of 'ifs'.
Faith comes by HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD, the words of God are the only words that give us HIS TRUTH. THOSE who love HIM OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.
(and so the 'we are not under the law' discussion begins...sure enough to be followed by the 'works salvation'. Next time you see it ASK, 'What does that mean? and how does that work')
WHERE DO WE FIND OUR REST? GODS TRUTHS. WHAT DO WE TEACH? Gods words. Why? So we can come to unity.
Isaiah 28:5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,
6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.
7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
THEY WOULD RATHER TEACH THE DOCTRINES/CONCLUSIONS OF MEN. GODS words are meant to enter the eyes and ears as IT IS WRITTEN.
That is the war that has been from the beginning, taking the TRUTHS that found in "IT IS WRITTEN" and putting someMans or even Satans spin on them. That is what we are to fight against. Short cuts and the reason for so many false prophets.
No one can deny that once saved it is eternal. IN THE END that is one of Gods Truths
yet those who defend it don't realize 'the doctrine' is but another one of the traditions of man.
If God wanted us teaching OSAS he would have left out all the IFs, something else no one can deny. So with every short cut a lie may be formed. Every word not taught as 'it is written' falls under the same problem.
What IS WRITTEN about OSAS
Philippians 3:10 That I may know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 NOT AS THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, either were already perfect but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
THAT IS HOW WE ARE TAUGHT TO TEACH.
SO YOU SEE, OSAS falls under HATH GOD SAID and it is a manner of MAN SPEAK, SO US, Christs men who are to spread the good news, should not be teaching it. It is a doctrine that makes void the words of God, at the very least a whole bunch of 'ifs'.
Faith comes by HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD, the words of God are the only words that give us HIS TRUTH. THOSE who love HIM OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.
(and so the 'we are not under the law' discussion begins...sure enough to be followed by the 'works salvation'. Next time you see it ASK, 'What does that mean? and how does that work')
WHERE DO WE FIND OUR REST? GODS TRUTHS. WHAT DO WE TEACH? Gods words. Why? So we can come to unity.
Isaiah 28:5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,
6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.
7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
THEY WOULD RATHER TEACH THE DOCTRINES/CONCLUSIONS OF MEN. GODS words are meant to enter the eyes and ears as IT IS WRITTEN.
First of all, I am using your Verse example for a point but it is in no way directed at you!
I love this Verse and example because we learn a couple things here.
1. Satan has to ask God for permission to try us [like Job, but in Job God mentioned to Satan before Satan tested him]
2. Jesus said, HE PRAYS Peter's Faith won't fail.
So what does that tell us, it tells us that Peter is Saved, but his Faith could fail. If our Faith can fail, then OSAS is a False Doctrine!
If our Faith can fail, then Eternal salvation is a False Doctrine!, because we can fail and lose our faith in God, even after being Saved and Secure in God.
I love this Verse and example because we learn a couple things here.
1. Satan has to ask God for permission to try us [like Job, but in Job God mentioned to Satan before Satan tested him]
2. Jesus said, HE PRAYS Peter's Faith won't fail.
So what does that tell us, it tells us that Peter is Saved, but his Faith could fail. If our Faith can fail, then OSAS is a False Doctrine!
If our Faith can fail, then Eternal salvation is a False Doctrine!, because we can fail and lose our faith in God, even after being Saved and Secure in God.
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Maybe this why Jesus also reminded us:
Not everyone who calls Him [[LORD]] will be Saved!
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth. the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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DOESN'T EVERYONE WHO THINKS AND PROFESSES TO BE SAVED CALL JESUS, LORD?
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hi @PennEd I remember you as a good member here and I have on many times been helped out by your replies,. I know that you help others here and form a bond with people helping to bring down bad doctrins, so please could you give a brief explanation and answer in this link to the thread below , after you have given it some thought for me please, https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...he-tempter-or-given-the-title-tempter.204036/. Also anyone else taking part could you all do the same please.
If you believe a False Doctrine that teaches Eternal Security and OSAS, you don't think that you can lose your Salvation. when you think you have a guarantee, you relax and do things you would not do that could allow Satan to enter into the picture and cause you to lose their Faith.
So, if people are not admitting it, it's because they are taught wrong or that they never have been in a place where they could lose their Salvation.
So, if people are not admitting it, it's because they are taught wrong or that they never have been in a place where they could lose their Salvation.
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