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Forest, so much false information about 'calvinism, ........This is a short version of nearly everything that is 'calvinism......ready to have an answer in season and out! And just ya know.......Truth7t7 is upside down on calvinism....I have yet to figure him out tho some others have.
For your information only, I am not here to change anyone.......(except Truth7t7
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Doctrines that Calvinists/Reformed share with other bible believers
There are doctrines that all believers share, be they reformed or ‘other’ (not to offend, but not all mainlines honor the Trinity)
1. The Trinity “The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.
2. Scripture alone is the sole authority on faith and morals, in so far as it is correctly translated.
Then we come to the ones that might divide us, but I’m sure not all of them would:
3. Probably a couple of points on the TULIP
T - total depravity of man – the sin nature of the natural man/spiritual death came by Adam/original sin
U – unconditional election – God does not choose man according to His works but by His grace alone
L – the atonement by Christ was made for believers only, therefor limited
I – Irresistable grace – God’s will is not thwarted
P – Preservation of the saints – once saved always saved/eternal security
The five solas
Sola scriptura – scripture alone
Sola fide – faith alone
Sola gratia – grace alone
Solus Christos – Christ alone
Soli deo Gloria –glory to God alone
As for Eschatology, there are mixed minds, but general agreement that either all prophecy has been fulfilled or that all but the second coming of Christ is fulfilled. They fall generally into the categories of Amillenianism, Preterist and Partial-Preterist.
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. C. H. Spurgeon
For your information only, I am not here to change anyone.......(except Truth7t7
)Doctrines that Calvinists/Reformed share with other bible believers
There are doctrines that all believers share, be they reformed or ‘other’ (not to offend, but not all mainlines honor the Trinity)
1. The Trinity “The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.
2. Scripture alone is the sole authority on faith and morals, in so far as it is correctly translated.
Then we come to the ones that might divide us, but I’m sure not all of them would:
3. Probably a couple of points on the TULIP
T - total depravity of man – the sin nature of the natural man/spiritual death came by Adam/original sin
U – unconditional election – God does not choose man according to His works but by His grace alone
L – the atonement by Christ was made for believers only, therefor limited
I – Irresistable grace – God’s will is not thwarted
P – Preservation of the saints – once saved always saved/eternal security
The five solas
Sola scriptura – scripture alone
Sola fide – faith alone
Sola gratia – grace alone
Solus Christos – Christ alone
Soli deo Gloria –glory to God alone
As for Eschatology, there are mixed minds, but general agreement that either all prophecy has been fulfilled or that all but the second coming of Christ is fulfilled. They fall generally into the categories of Amillenianism, Preterist and Partial-Preterist.
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. C. H. Spurgeon
Forest, so much false information about 'calvinism, ........This is a short version of nearly everything that is 'calvinism......ready to have an answer in season and out! And just ya know.......Truth7t7 is upside down on calvinism....I have yet to figure him out tho some others have.
For your information only, I am not here to change anyone.......(except Truth7t7)
Doctrines that Calvinists/Reformed share with other bible believers
There are doctrines that all believers share, be they reformed or ‘other’ (not to offend, but not all mainlines honor the Trinity)
1. The Trinity “The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.
2. Scripture alone is the sole authority on faith and morals, in so far as it is correctly translated.
Then we come to the ones that might divide us, but I’m sure not all of them would:
3. Probably a couple of points on the TULIP
T - total depravity of man – the sin nature of the natural man/spiritual death came by Adam/original sin
U – unconditional election – God does not choose man according to His works but by His grace alone
L – the atonement by Christ was made for believers only, therefor limited
I – Irresistable grace – God’s will is not thwarted
P – Preservation of the saints – once saved always saved/eternal security
The five solas
Sola scriptura – scripture alone
Sola fide – faith alone
Sola gratia – grace alone
Solus Christos – Christ alone
Soli deo Gloria –glory to God alone
As for Eschatology, there are mixed minds, but general agreement that either all prophecy has been fulfilled or that all but the second coming of Christ is fulfilled. They fall generally into the categories of Amillenianism, Preterist and Partial-Preterist.
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. C. H. Spurgeon
For your information only, I am not here to change anyone.......(except Truth7t7
)Doctrines that Calvinists/Reformed share with other bible believers
There are doctrines that all believers share, be they reformed or ‘other’ (not to offend, but not all mainlines honor the Trinity)
1. The Trinity “The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.
2. Scripture alone is the sole authority on faith and morals, in so far as it is correctly translated.
Then we come to the ones that might divide us, but I’m sure not all of them would:
3. Probably a couple of points on the TULIP
T - total depravity of man – the sin nature of the natural man/spiritual death came by Adam/original sin
U – unconditional election – God does not choose man according to His works but by His grace alone
L – the atonement by Christ was made for believers only, therefor limited
I – Irresistable grace – God’s will is not thwarted
P – Preservation of the saints – once saved always saved/eternal security
The five solas
Sola scriptura – scripture alone
Sola fide – faith alone
Sola gratia – grace alone
Solus Christos – Christ alone
Soli deo Gloria –glory to God alone
As for Eschatology, there are mixed minds, but general agreement that either all prophecy has been fulfilled or that all but the second coming of Christ is fulfilled. They fall generally into the categories of Amillenianism, Preterist and Partial-Preterist.
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. C. H. Spurgeon
I believe Christ died for all men, but His death only saves those who believe
The way you described the other four points I can agree with. But most Calvinists I’ve read use much stronger definitions.
I can agree that the fall of Adam produced spiritual death, seperation, and sinfulness in all that are in Adam
I agree that God saves based on grace and on His good pleasure, not because of our works. Amen
I agree that God’s will cannot be thwarted.
I believe that we are eternally secure in Christ
But total depravity and irresistable grace are stated in much stronger terms in Calvinism than the way you stated them.
I am also fully in agreement with the 5 solas. I think all Protestant evangelicals agree with those. Those who don’t, I think do not hold to Protestant/ evangelical or biblical principles.
I do agree that Calvinists are accused of believing things that they don’t believe. This is due to the fact that people are ignorant of their actual positions.
Anti Calvinists should not talk about Calvinism unless they actually read their writings. What they often do is merely read and quote anti Calvinist writers.
I think these people need to stop attacking things they haven’t read. I don’t attack Calvinism, because I do not have an adequate understanding of it, and I have a pretty good grasp of it, but not enough for me to properly represent it.
I just try to stick with only the Bible. If the Bible agrees with a Calvinist belief, I accept it. If not. I dont
It’s ludicrous for people to say I have Calvinist leanings. I was saved, reared, and trained in an anti Calvinist church. Deeply anti Calvinist. I came to my beliefs through decades of Bible study
I am currently in church that is neither Calvinistic nor do they attack it. I consider Calvinists my brethren, and I don’t feel inclined to attack my brethren.
Anti Calvinists should not talk about Calvinism unless they actually read their writings. What they often do is merely read and quote anti Calvinist writers.
I think these people need to stop attacking things they haven’t read. I don’t attack Calvinism, because I do not have an adequate understanding of it, and I have a pretty good grasp of it, but not enough for me to properly represent it.
I just try to stick with only the Bible. If the Bible agrees with a Calvinist belief, I accept it. If not. I dont
It’s ludicrous for people to say I have Calvinist leanings. I was saved, reared, and trained in an anti Calvinist church. Deeply anti Calvinist. I came to my beliefs through decades of Bible study
I am currently in church that is neither Calvinistic nor do they attack it. I consider Calvinists my brethren, and I don’t feel inclined to attack my brethren.
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I started my spiritual journey in a solid Conservative Baptist church. Not exactly a hotbed of calvinism. But I learned good basics which we all need before we do deep study (had to learn how to do that too). The first time I ever saw or heard the word TULIP was in an Christian AOL chat room.....two people arguing over it (how novel). I asked what TULIP is.....one of the debaters was a pastor so we private messaged while he took me through it........and as he went through each letter I gave him the affirmative that I agree. I stayed in my Bap church because of friends but I also was their full-charge bookkeeper. In time we had a new pastor whose first efforts on sermons was to go through Romans, line by line (he took over a year to finish). Not being a full-fledged calvinist I had some questions about the predestination stuff, etc. Went against my ego to think I was not in charge. We were in Roman 9 and literally half of our members LEFT when he got to those pesky vessels. Not to worry because within weeks our membership tripled. People were so hungry to hear exegesis teaching. Anway I literally confronted the pastor about vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath........the only thing he said to me was: Is God sovereign or not? After that I was hooked, I read the bible with new eyes to see God's sovereignty everywhere and it has been an exciting journey ever since.
God bless you on your journey
God bless you on your journey
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