Rabbi Avraham Arieh Trugman on YouTube has a short teaching on each of the Hebrew letters. They last about 5-7 min. He is chabad which is the current version of kabbalah. I am not very impressed with his teaching other then the Hebrew letters. There is also the teaching of Rabbi Manis Friedman. I find that to be interesting but of course he falls short because he does not directly include the teachings of Jesus. You can identify the Chabad Rabbi because they do not trim their bead. "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27) They add to the Law of Moses. There are something like 613 commandments they follow. Jesus clearly teaches that we are not to add to the Law of Moses. It is enough to do what Moses teaches us to do. When you ask them about things like this they do not answer because they do not have an answer. They know that we are not to add to what we received from Moses. We are clearly told that ONLY Jesus can add to what was given to Moses. We have the Torah and we have the red letter words of Jesus. Everything else is commentary to help us understand what God gave to Moses and what we receive from Jesus.
What translation has the exact words of God preserved for English speakers?
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The command here is NOT to be drunk. This is a reversal. We are told to: "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts." (Proverb 31:6) People that are saved have the New Wine and they are comforted by God. Also we can be united or we can be divided. We are not to be united with drinking. We are to be divided or set apart unto God. This is not a condition of salvation, this is a condition of our Priesthood if we want to Serve God and be used by Him for His ministry and His purpose.
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The emphasis is on being continually filled with the Holy Spirit. There is no reversal; there are two distinct things being said and no comparisons being made.
Further those in Christ are made one by the Holy Spirit. No divided or united going on but one only and all one in Christ.
Most of us here know that. That is not what myself and the other poster are discussing.
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What the word "be" means to continue and the idea of emphasis is nothing wrong and 'be" had already emphasized that, only if my dictionary is flat wrong but that is the meaning of the word 'be'. Still not quite correct as per context stating the 'praying in tongues' Paul says on the other hand "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and and making melody in your heart to the Lord".
Here is an easy explanation. This isn't a new understanding for me, but it seems to be for you. We are not in agreement with the KJ at all and it does not say continuously. The inference is there in the original.
Ephesians 5:18 ...be filled with the Spirit.
•• Various Greek scholars and bible commentators point out that the Greek present imperative tense is used in this verse. It has the connotation of a continuous replenishment, an ongoing state of being filled.• It has been suggested by some that an awkward but accurate translation would be something like: “...go on being filled.”
There really is no need to continue to say the same things over and over and I'm not going to. I provided a very small but important difference to illustrate how a word for word translation can loose the meaning of the original and you are stuck on the word 'be'. Well, so BE it
It’s funny how a man with this background:
Philippians 3:5-6
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Never once mentioned anything regarding Hebrew letters...
Philippians 3:5-6
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Never once mentioned anything regarding Hebrew letters...
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Notice the speaking to yourselves in psalms and spiritual songs etc comes AFTER the continuation of being filled.
Here is an easy explanation. This isn't a new understanding for me, but it seems to be for you. We are not in agreement with the KJ at all and it does not say continuously. The inference is there in the original.
Ephesians 5:18 ...be filled with the Spirit.
•• Various Greek scholars and bible commentators point out that the Greek present imperative tense is used in this verse. It has the connotation of a continuous replenishment, an ongoing state of being filled.• It has been suggested by some that an awkward but accurate translation would be something like: “...go on being filled.”
There really is no need to continue to say the same things over and over and I'm not going to. I provided a very small but important difference to illustrate how a word for word translation can loose the meaning of the original and you are stuck on the word 'be'. Well, so BE it
Here is an easy explanation. This isn't a new understanding for me, but it seems to be for you. We are not in agreement with the KJ at all and it does not say continuously. The inference is there in the original.
Ephesians 5:18 ...be filled with the Spirit.
•• Various Greek scholars and bible commentators point out that the Greek present imperative tense is used in this verse. It has the connotation of a continuous replenishment, an ongoing state of being filled.• It has been suggested by some that an awkward but accurate translation would be something like: “...go on being filled.”
There really is no need to continue to say the same things over and over and I'm not going to. I provided a very small but important difference to illustrate how a word for word translation can loose the meaning of the original and you are stuck on the word 'be'. Well, so BE it
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Taking from the first paragraph in the OP...
"No English translation is "inspired". Many English translations are reputable and do an excellent job at conveying well the original meaning of the original inspired manuscripts. There is no perfect English translation. I think we need ongoing and open discussion about what are the best English translations; and in my opinion the KJV still ranks as one of the best English translations. Other good ones are the NASB and the ESV. But there are other good ones also."
and my quote
I would respectfully disagree with you.
"No English translation is "inspired". Many English translations are reputable and do an excellent job at conveying well the original meaning of the original inspired manuscripts. There is no perfect English translation. I think we need ongoing and open discussion about what are the best English translations; and in my opinion the KJV still ranks as one of the best English translations. Other good ones are the NASB and the ESV. But there are other good ones also."
and my quote
I would respectfully disagree with you.
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Can you be honest? The discussion centers around the KJV of the Bible and you and a few others here believe that Bible is inspired.
So should I single out the NSV? or maybe the English Standard? or the NJJV?
Now hit on being filled with the spirit and praying in tongues and the rest of the spiritual gifts. Typical typical typical and I am past caring at this point. Your Bible will not save you no matter how hard you cling to it and it will not give you life. Only the Holy Spirit sent by God after Jesus ascended will give life to our dry bones.
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I never said that they were. However, if you consult the Bible, including the KJ, you will find that one of the things the Holy Spirit does is to help us in our weakness, or infirmities as the KJ says.
David sinned and Paul talked about the weakness of his flesh. So they were godless in your understanding? You do not understand what I have posted about and no surprise since you posted some weird stuff about tongues and you know what I refer to.
I never said that they were. However, if you consult the Bible, including the KJ, you will find that one of the things the Holy Spirit does is to help us in our weakness, or infirmities as the KJ says.
David sinned and Paul talked about the weakness of his flesh. So they were godless in your understanding? You do not understand what I have posted about and no surprise since you posted some weird stuff about tongues and you know what I refer to.
David sinned and Paul talked about the weakness of his flesh. So they were godless in your understanding? You do not understand what I have posted about and no surprise since you posted some weird stuff about tongues and you know what I refer to.
We control how much influence the Holy Spirit has over us. If a believer goes out drinking and partying and participating in wordly stuff, then that believer is not full of the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit still lives within that persons heart.
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