What does 'Repent' mean ?

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throughfaith

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So Acts 2:38 (according to you) teaches that "Jews only" were to be baptized in water "in order to obtain" the remission of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? So why not the same for these Gentiles Acts 10:43-47? Why is it so important for dispensationalists to believe there are multiple plans of salvation (in which the former plan involves salvation by works) spread out throughout different dispensations?
Your presuming thats my position . I don't label myself any' ism ' . We should just notice what does the bible say . If you read Acts 2.38 what does it say ?
 

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So Acts 2:38 (according to you) teaches that "Jews only" were to be baptized in water "in order to obtain" the remission of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? So why not the same for these Gentiles Acts 10:43-47? Why is it so important for dispensationalists to believe there are multiple plans of salvation (in which the former plan involves salvation by works) spread out throughout different dispensations?
Why are you picking any verse in Acts as how we are to preach the message today?
 

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So Acts 2:38 (according to you) teaches that "Jews only" were to be baptized in water "in order to obtain" the remission of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? So why not the same for these Gentiles Acts 10:43-47? Why is it so important for dispensationalists to believe there are multiple plans of salvation (in which the former plan involves salvation by works) spread out throughout different dispensations?
Acts is not a jigsaw puzzle of 29 conversion accounts that we need to somehow piece together to figure how we are to preach the Gospel today. 1 cor 15 .1-4 including Pauls letters is clearer. We go from the clear to the unclear . Acts is historical not prescriptive. Its a transitional account . Every bad doctrine and many denominations ,cults and groups from the wacky to the weird have taken the Book of Acts prescriptively to one degree or another .
 

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Your presuming thats my position . I don't label myself any' ism ' . We should just notice what does the bible say . If you read Acts 2.38 what does it say?
"On the surface" Acts 2:38 appears to teach that receiving the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit is the result of repentance and baptism (as taught by Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists) just like "on the surface" James 2:24 appears to teach that we are saved by works (once again, as taught by Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists) yet those "on the surface" interpretations result in contradictions with other scripture. (Acts 3:19; Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; 26:18; Romans 4:2-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). Certain dispensationalists may argue that those "on the surface" interpretations are correct FOR JEWS ONLY, but I don't buy that.

I believe that in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

So after properly harmonizing scripture with scripture I believe that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
 

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Why are you picking any verse in Acts as how we are to preach the message today?
Multiple verses in Acts make it clear that we are saved through believing in Him/faith in Christ (implied in genuine repentance) and not by works. (Acts 3:19; 4:4; 5:14; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18)
 

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Acts is not a jigsaw puzzle of 29 conversion accounts that we need to somehow piece together to figure how we are to preach the Gospel today. 1 cor 15 .1-4 including Pauls letters is clearer. We go from the clear to the unclear . Acts is historical not prescriptive. Its a transitional account . Every bad doctrine and many denominations ,cults and groups from the wacky to the weird have taken the Book of Acts prescriptively to one degree or another .
I agree there is a transition going on in the book of Acts and certain cults have come up with some wacky doctrines from the book of Acts. My wife grew up in the RLDS church (similar to LDS) and I remember them teaching that EVERYONE (must or else) have hands laid on them by the elders of their church in order to receive the Holy Spirit and they got this from Acts 8:17 and Acts 19:6. They fail to realize this was the exception and not the rule.
 

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"On the surface" Acts 2:38 appears to teach that receiving the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit is the result of repentance and baptism (as taught by Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists) just like "on the surface" James 2:24 appears to teach that we are saved by works (once again, as taught by Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists) yet those "on the surface" interpretations result in contradictions with other scripture. (Acts 3:19; Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; 26:18; Romans 4:2-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). Certain dispensationalists may argue that those "on the surface" interpretations are correct FOR JEWS ONLY, but I don't buy that.

I believe that in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

So after properly harmonizing scripture with scripture I believe that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
yes that s the observation. 29 different accounts of conversion . Watch how these groups use them on here ,you will see .
 
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Using the Acts of the Apostles for church doctrine and how to be saved today, is probably why your confused .
Many faulty denomination s have been established upon the wrong understanding of Acts . With its 29 conversion accounts , clearly demonstrates its a historical( transitional)account of what happened not a prescription of what to do and follow today . And what you are preaching is a false message of Lordship sadly .
The false understanding that Acts is merely historical and not profitable for doctrine is a teaching that has been debunked for many years. Today most theologians in Bible College and Seminaries no longer teach that nonsense. We already know that all scripture is profitable for doctrine because the scripture says that but also there has been much work done by theologians on Lucan Pneumatology and it has been proven that Luke was a theologian in his own right.

Luke clearly chose to record things and not record things based on this theological intent and those things he recorded were designed to emphasize certain truths that are most assuredly doctrinal. You should google Lucan Pneumatology as a starter and go from there, you will find that the statement that "Acts is not meant for church doctrine" is no longer being taught by most seminaries because it has been thoroughly debunked. You can cleave to the idea because it fits your narrative if you want to, but just realized that educated bible students know that is not true.

Of course it does not take a seminary degree to know that Acts is useful for doctrine and for rules of church faith and practice as long as one uses common sense hermeneutics to interpret what the Holy Spirit intended in it's original context.
 

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yes that s the observation. 29 different accounts of conversion . Watch how these groups use them on here ,you will see .
I find it interesting how all the major false religions and cults that teach salvation by works unanimously uphold and cherish Acts 2:38 as a "pet verse" and use it to teach baptismal regeneration/remission and relentlessly teach that we absolutely must be water baptized in order to be saved (baptized or condemned) which has always been a red flag for me.
 
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So Acts 2:38 (according to you) teaches that "Jews only" were to be baptized in water "in order to obtain" the remission of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? So why not the same for these Gentiles Acts 10:43-47? Why is it so important for dispensationalists to believe there are multiple plans of salvation (in which the former plan involves salvation by works) spread out throughout different dispensations?
Are you aware that Israel is to be a nation of priests, to reach the gentiles, when Jesus return for them in his 2nd coming? (Zechariah 8)
 

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Are you aware that Israel is to be a nation of priests, to reach the gentiles, when Jesus return for them in his 2nd coming? (Zechariah 8)
That's your logic behind teaching Acts 2:38 supports salvation by water baptism for the Jews?
 
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That's your logic for teaching Acts 2:38 supports salvation by water baptism for the Jews?
The contents of the gospel of the kingdom, under the ot prophecy is clear.

If the 70th week was to begin soon after the cross, as peter quoted joel in acts 2, there is urgency for Israel to prepare for Jesus 2nd coming.

That was why peter was pleading with Israel to get on with the program in acts 2 and 3.
 
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The contents of the gospel of the kingdom, under the ot prophecy is clear.

If the 70th week was to begin soon after the cross, as peter quoted joel in acts 2, there is urgency for Israel to prepare for Jesus 2nd coming.

That was why peter was pleading with Israel to get on with the program in acts 2 and 3.

Which Israel ? The faithful bride that God renamed Christians? Or the faithless Jew that come under the same eye as a unbelieving gentile. ?
 
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I find it interesting how all the major false religions and cults that teach salvation by works unanimously uphold and cherish Acts 2:38 as a "pet verse" and use it to teach baptismal regeneration/remission and relentlessly teach that we absolutely must be water baptized in order to be saved (baptized or condemned) which has always been a red flag for me.

Yes, to repent is to beleive.

The process of the Holy Spirit baptizing giving new creatures ears to understand and a wiling spirit to obey. Christ working in a person to both will and do his good pleasure a person . Its all one work of God.
 

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So we tell unbeliever s they have to turn from their sins to be saved ? Acts 2.38 ? Read the context and see who Peter is talking to and why .
The Jews that responded to Peter's sermon were men that had already been quickened to a new spiritual life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, else, they could not have had a new fleshy heart that their conscience could have been "PRICKED" to feel guilty.

Saved, according to Greek means "delivered". In acts 2:38 when they said "what must we do", Peter told them to repent, and be baptised for (because of) the remission of sins (Matt 26:28, For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many, for the remission of sins), and ye shall receive the GIFT (of forgiveness) from the Holy Ghost. This was Peter's advice, as to how they could be delivered (saved) from their guilty feelings.

All scripture must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine that Jesus preached.

1 Pet 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save (deliver) us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, BUT THE ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 

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There is no such thing as Having faith in Jesus Christ that does not include a willingness to turn away from your known sinful living.
That might be just one or two things that a poor ignorant sinner is currently aware of, but the Holy Spirit always brings people to a point of contrition and a knowledge that they must make a decision to turn from that life and toward a new life that will be involved in serving God.

Repentance toward God and Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is a connected and constitutes saving faith.

"Have mercy on me a sinner" is enough, but it includes an expectation to stop doing it after receiving forgiveness.
We do not preach that one must clean themselves up first. But we do always include that repentance is part of having Faith in Jesus Christ.

Repentance is never missing from the message. Repentance is not a message for another day After believing in Jesus. Repentance and Faith are always connected and included in our Gospel preaching. Why am I needing to state the obvious? What is the confusion about telling people to turn from their sins by having Faith in Jesus Christ.
And then we should immediately be teaching them to be baptized in water declaring their identification with the death and resurrection of Christ but also as a declaration that they will walk in Newness of Life, not living the way they were before.

Repent and Believe the Gospel, because you CANNOT believe the Gospel without Repentance.

Do a search for the word Repent, Repentance, Forgiveness of sins, sins etc in the book of Acts and you quickly see how often it was repeated in the message of every example of someone that preached the Gospel. It is obvious that Luke wrote with the theological intention to drive home the necessity of preaching repentance and turning from sin as part of the Faith in Jesus message of the Gospel. The two are included so many times that it becomes obvious that Luke knew what he was doing (the Holy Spirit told Luke) to emphasize this.

I realized this after reading the book of Acts several times in the 80s and I have always included repentance (turning away from sins) as part of the decision one must make when they Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the Grace of God to not only forgive them of their sins but to also give them the power to resist those sins when they get up tomorrow morning and start this New Life of being born again. The majority of the message is about the power to resists sin through the indwelling Holy Spirit that has made them a new creature. At no time should you teach that people can worry about stopping their sinful living later when they feel up to it. That would be crazy talk. We are washed by the blood of the Lamb and He has made us as though we had never sinned. Shall we go wallow in the mud now that we are clean? God Forbid.
I believe that you are a born again child of God, but if you affirm that you never "go wallow in the mud" as you put it. Then you are putting yourself equal to Christ, and putting yourself above the Apostle Paul Rom 8:18-25.
 
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I believe that you are a born again child of God, but if you affirm that you never "go wallow in the mud" as you put it. Then you are putting yourself equal to Christ, and putting yourself above the Apostle Paul Rom 8:18-25.
No one is preaching sinless perfection or that we never sin again after being born again. That does not need to be part of the conversation.
 

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He shall save his people from their sins. We can be saved from the chains of addiction. We can be saved from the corruption of the lusts of the flesh. We can be freed from the prison house of yielding our members as members of unrighteousness in this life and also from the consequences of sin in the next life. That is the Good News. It would not be Good News to tell people they are saved but cannot expect deliverance from their vices in this life. That is bad news.
 

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Yes, to repent is to beleive.

The process of the Holy Spirit baptizing giving new creatures ears to understand and a wiling spirit to obey. Christ working in a person to both will and do his good pleasure a person . Its all one work of God.
Repentance is the fruit of believing. It is found in doing the instructions instead of convincing yourself that you heard the story and you believe.

It is a gift we receive from God as He draws us to Christ and Salvation.


There is a lot of work to be done in Salvation. Its kind of a misnomer to say Salvation is not of works. Its just not our works that are done. It is the Work of God. From start to finish.