What does 'Repent' mean ?

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TheDivineWatermark

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Scripture proves scripture. I do not rely upon other men's commentaries. They are why we have so many divisions in understanding the meaning of the scriptures.
Okay, I'm not a "commentary writer," but I'll say it (does that count? :D )... Esau found no "change of mind" in Isaac (what's done was done).
 

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Eph 2:1 harmonizes with 1 Cor 2:14, in that, the natural man is still dead (spiritually) in sins at the time he is quickened. By him being spiritually dead, he could not discern the things of the spirit in order to make a spiritual decision. Spiritual decision making only comes after you are born spiritually. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given given at the time of the quickening, and spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
In Eph 2:5, the word is "made us alive with [one word G4806 - suzóopoieó ; from syn G4862 (in UNION-with/IDENTIFICATION-with [Him]) and zóopoieó G2227] Christ," that is, when HE WAS... and He had no need to be "quickened" in the sense that you are assigning this word, here (in this context). See this word also in Col2:13 (where it adds "having forgiven us all the transgressions [/trespasses; G3900 - paraptóma / paraptōmata ]").
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I would call this explanation, "grasping at straws", "desperate". to make the scriptures fit your theory.
I dunno... I mean, I pasted the list and it appeared to me to be as I had said (used in that way [those ways], in these 21x occurrences of that exact word...). Seems so to me. But I'm no expert. = D



[... "there am I in the midst" means "where two or more are gathered...," right? = D ]
 

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I think you are saying that Paul was speaking to believers/saved persons, here, (I agree) but note that he is saying this to them:

"1 And I, brothers, was not able to speak to you as to spiritual, but as fleshly—as to infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food, for not yet were you able. In fact, now you are still not able, 3 for you are still fleshly. [...] are you not fleshly, and are walking according to man?"

[...that is, as unsaved men do... i.e. the natural man, before salvation; he's not saying they ARE "natural [/unsaved] man," he's saying they are WALKING "according to man"]
I agree that he's not saying they are unsaved . I'm saying he refers to them as fleshy . The fleshy man cannot understand the things Paul can speak to the mature . I would see the term ' spiritual referring to Mature and not a term that means 'a person who has the Holy Spirit . Inspite of some translations doing this .
 
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Okay, I'm not a "commentary writer," but I'll say it (does that count? :D )... Esau found no "change of mind" in Isaac (what's done was done).

Yes .The Holy Spirit did not perform his work of repenting in Esau Esau so no value in the things not seen .

Without that faith of Christ's labor of love working in any man. . no one could please God . Faith empowers one to believe. God. Without it we can do nothing.
 
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I agree that he's not saying they are unsaved . I'm saying he refers to them as fleshy . The fleshy man cannot understand the things Paul can speak to the mature . I would see the term ' spiritual referring to Mature and not a term that means 'a person who has the Holy Spirit . Inspite of some translations doing this .
Its fleshly man that is freely given the unseen faith to understand. Its not of the earthen flesh. But of the Spirit empowering us to hear the understand of God to his good purpose. A bonus a freebe to us without buying a lottery ticket .

The pearl of great price beyond our measure. . after the golden measure faith

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We work out what he works in us making our burden lighter.
 

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I agree that he's not saying they are unsaved . I'm saying he refers to them as fleshy . The fleshy man cannot understand the things Paul can speak to the mature . I would see the term ' spiritual referring to Mature and not a term that means 'a person who has the Holy Spirit . Inspite of some translations doing this .
This is how I see it as well.

He could not speak to them "as to spiritual" (v.1 - "And I, brothers, was not able to speak to you as to spiritual, but as fleshly--as to infants in Christ." - https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/3-1.htm ["[not...] as to spiritual [dative]"--but I'm no Greek grammar expert :D ])
 

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TDW: Esau found no "change of mind" in Isaac (what's done was done).
Yes .The Holy Spirit did not perform his work of repenting in Esau Esau so no value in the things not seen .

Without that faith of Christ's labor of love working in any man. . no one could please God . Faith empowers one to believe. God. Without it we can do nothing.
The one whose "mind" *I* was referring to (to which Esau "sought") was Isaac's mind.

Esau "found no place of 'change-of-mind'" in Isaac's [mind], "though with tears having earnestly sought it."


[which would look like this: E: "please, please, please, Pop, [*sob sob*] please change your mind and thus change this outcome." Pop: "Um, nope."... "for a place of 'change-of-mind [/repentance=change-of-mind]' he found not, although with tears having earnestly sought it" (in Isaac--[Esau sought] Isaac's 'change-of-mind')]
 
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The one whose "mind" *I* was referring to (to which Esau "sought") was Isaac's mind.

Esau "found no place of 'change-of-mind'" in Isaac's [mind], "though with tears having earnestly sought it."


[which would look like this: E: "please, please, please, Pop, [*sob sob*] please change your mind and thus change this outcome." Pop: "Um, nope."... "for a place of 'change-of-mind [/repentance=change-of-mind]' he found not, although with tears having earnestly sought it" (in Isaac--[Esau sought] Isaac's 'change-of-mind')]
Isaac who was inspired by God in respect to a blessing of God the spirutl seed. Esau had no interest in the unseen things of God he refused the blessing offered to Him by God. Traded it for a bowl of goat soup

The blessing the spiritual seed of Christ does come through the flesh .

Onan knew that the seed should not be his to he refused to repent spilled his own seed .Wanted nothing to do with blessing from a God he could not see. Cain killed Abel refusing to repent and do the work .