What do you think about works?

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Icedaisey

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There it is! The law written on the heart. How do we obey the resurrection power within? How does that power operate? By guiding us within the parameters of God's law written on our heart by God.

The entire New Covenant list reiterates what many here have said to those opposed. Well done. :giggle: Where did you find that?
 
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walknlight said:
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I disagree with most of this, not that I am any authority but the neither are you. The old covenant was given by a holy God who does not make mistakes, what the old covenant said for the people with understanding of that time was truth. We are to be able to read that truth in the old covenant. For example, they were told to cut skin to mark that they were set apart and belonged to the Lord. When that command, (and the command stood as truth) was given in our hearts, we are to mark ourselves as belonging to God without the need for marking our skin. They were to feed themselves with only holy food, not food from garbage. That is still true, but under the new covenant we are to know that the food for our soul is what is put in our minds, not our stomach.

There has never, ever been a time when work has equaled salvation, from the time spoken of in Genesis it has taken blood given by the Lord, yet you say that under the old covenant they taught work instead of faith. They had such faith in the Lord that they accepted the blood of animals as sacrifice for their sins, they weren't told it was the symbolic blood of Christ, they took it on faith.

Don't take my word for any of this, go to scripture. You will not find any scripture saying God took back his errors. God is holy, it tells us, God is perfect not the imperfect God you are telling of.
 
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walknlight said:
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I disagree with most of this, not that I am any authority but the neither are you. The old covenant was given by a holy God who does not make mistakes, what the old covenant said for the people with understanding of that time was truth. We are to be able to read that truth in the old covenant. For example, they were told to cut skin to mark that they were set apart and belonged to the Lord. When that command, (and the command stood as truth) was given in our hearts, we are to mark ourselves as belonging to God without the need for marking our skin. They were to feed themselves with only holy food, not food from garbage. That is still true, but under the new covenant we are to know that the food for our soul is what is put in our minds, not our stomach.

There has never, ever been a time when work has equaled salvation, from the time spoken of in Genesis it has taken blood given by the Lord, yet you say that under the old covenant they taught work instead of faith. They had such faith in the Lord that they accepted the blood of animals as sacrifice for their sins, they weren't told it was the symbolic blood of Christ, they took it on faith.

Don't take my word for any of this, go to scripture. You will not find any scripture saying God took back his errors. God is holy, it tells us, God is perfect not the imperfect God you are telling of.
 
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Icedaisey said:
Repentance is for those whom God knew before the world was created.
That which demonstrates opposition to the truth of God's words will never be changed by us. Remember the Pharaoh whom Moses approached in seeking mercy for the Hebrew slaves?
I AM sent me.
However, I AM hardened Pharaoh's heart before Moses arrived. As a consequence Pharaoh couldn't have freed the Hebrew slaves in the beginning. No matter the curses I AM caused the innocent Egyptian people who had no power of persuasion over Pharaoh suffered. Only in God's own time, when a day can be like unto a thousand years and a thousand years like unto a day, would Pharaoh be able to relent and let God's people go.

The hard hearts encountered in forums about this topic, about eternal irrevocable Salvation, about Baptism, about the New Covenant and the Law of Christ, and other truths, are such because it is God's will. Just as it was with Pharaoh.

It serves as a lesson that is woven all through the scriptures. Where there is God there are enemies of God. We navigate this world bearing his armor and the truth of his word that sustains us against all strongholds set against his truth. God didn't promise living as redeemed Saved reborn Baptized Holy Spirit filled Christ like people was going to be easy. He said it was going to be hard, but not impossible with God as our guide.

Darkness doesn't flee the light of its own free will.
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hard hearts and / or asleep ? dead - not aware ? of many things ? sleeping comfortably ..... in un -aware -ness . sleeping ...................... ............... .......... .........
 
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I disagree with most of this, not that I am any authority but the neither are you. The old covenant was given by a holy God who does not make mistakes, what the old covenant said for the people with understanding of that time was truth. We are to be able to read that truth in the old covenant. For example, they were told to cut skin to mark that they were set apart and belonged to the Lord. When that command, (and the command stood as truth) was given in our hearts, we are to mark ourselves as belonging to God without the need for marking our skin. They were to feed themselves with only holy food, not food from garbage. That is still true, but under the new covenant we are to know that the food for our soul is what is put in our minds, not our stomach.

There has never, ever been a time when work has equaled salvation, from the time spoken of in Genesis it has taken blood given by the Lord, yet you say that under the old covenant they taught work instead of faith. They had such faith in the Lord that they accepted the blood of animals as sacrifice for their sins, they weren't told it was the symbolic blood of Christ, they took it on faith.

Don't take my word for any of this, go to scripture. You will not find any scripture saying God took back his errors. God is holy, it tells us, God is perfect not the imperfect God you are telling of.
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Sorry, where in this list of theirs does it say work equals Salvation? I think you quoted the wrong post?
 
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It says that under the old covenant it taught works, but under the new covenant it teaches faith. Under the old covenant they taught law, under the new one they teach grace. Under the old covenant they teach works, under the new covenant they teach rest.

Yet under the old covenant you find teaching of faith and grace. Those are eternal truths, not old and new. The true law is the spirit of the law and it is eternal, not old and new.
 
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Icedaisey said:
Sorry, where in this list of theirs does it say work equals Salvation? I think you quoted the wrong post?
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Me thinks you have responded to a quote but not to the person who made the post.

The response above you responded to was not posted by @Blik
 
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Blik said:
It says that under the old covenant it taught works, but under the new covenant it teaches faith. Under the old covenant they taught law, under the new one they teach grace. Under the old covenant they teach works, under the new covenant they teach rest.

Yet under the old covenant you find teaching of faith and grace. Those are eternal truths, not old and new. The true law is the spirit of the law and it is eternal, not old and new.
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Under the old testament, just as under the new, obedience to the law of God was never taught as a means of Salvation. Works, leading to serve God's kingdom on earth, is both Old and New Covenant. Again, works do not save.
If we could work our way to Salvation, Jesus wouldn't have to have died to seal the New Covenant with blood, as was the tradition of sealing covenants.
 
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Icedaisey said:
There it is! The law written on the heart. How do we obey the resurrection power within? How does that power operate? By guiding us within the parameters of God's law written on our heart by God.

The entire New Covenant list reiterates what many here have said to those opposed. Well done. :giggle: Where did you find that?
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I see you're taking lessons from Blik on misreading/misinterpreting/misrepresenting the words of others.

I challenge you to find a single post in this thread that "opposes" the truth that the law is written on the believer's heart.
 
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BillG said:
My friend I think you are.

Look at post 207.

This post was also repeated as post 223.

@Blik did not post what @walknlight posted.

Now go back to post 225 your post.
You responded with a post from @Blik
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walknlight said:
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God Bless, pray this helps....
I disagree with most of this, not that I am any authority but the neither are you. The old covenant was given by a holy God who does not make mistakes, what the old covenant said for the people with understanding of that time was truth. We are to be able to read that truth in the old covenant. For example, they were told to cut skin to mark that they were set apart and belonged to the Lord. When that command, (and the command stood as truth) was given in our hearts, we are to mark ourselves as belonging to God without the need for marking our skin. They were to feed themselves with only holy food, not food from garbage. That is still true, but under the new covenant we are to know that the food for our soul is what is put in our minds, not our stomach.

There has never, ever been a time when work has equaled salvation, from the time spoken of in Genesis it has taken blood given by the Lord, yet you say that under the old covenant they taught work instead of faith. They had such faith in the Lord that they accepted the blood of animals as sacrifice for their sins, they weren't told it was the symbolic blood of Christ, they took it on faith.

Don't take my word for any of this, go to scripture. You will not find any scripture saying God took back his errors. God is holy, it tells us, God is perfect not the imperfect God you are telling of.
 
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Dino246 said:
I see you're taking lessons from Blik on misreading/misinterpreting/misrepresenting the words of others.

I challenge you to find a single post in this thread that "opposes" the truth that the law is written on the believer's heart.
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I see you're slandering Blik yet again. Pack of Jackals. You're a shame. All of you are.
Every last person here who has ever insisted the law of God is done away. And slippery nonsense doesn't revoke that fact either.
When the opponents of God's law, even the law of Christ, as Christians know it, insist the law is done away they're not saying it is in our hearts. Obviously. When they insist the law is done away, that's finality. They don't say, the law is done away with but.....That would make no sense.

You know this. Don't challenge what you know the answer to.
 
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Icedaisey said:
I see you're slandering Blik yet again. Pack of Jackals. You're a shame. All of you are.
Every last person here who has ever insisted the law of God is done away. And slippery nonsense doesn't revoke that fact either.
When the opponents of God's law, even the law of Christ, as Christians know it, insist the law is done away they're not saying it is in our hearts. Obviously. When they insist the law is done away, that's finality. They don't say, the law is done away with but.....That would make no sense.

You know this. Don't challenge what you know the answer to.
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No one here has said the law is done away

so while slandering others. Your prove yourself to be a slanderer yourself

shame on you
 
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Icedaisey said:
I see you're slandering Blik yet again. Pack of Jackals. You're a shame. All of you are.
Every last person here who has ever insisted the law of God is done away. And slippery nonsense doesn't revoke that fact either.
When the opponents of God's law, even the law of Christ, as Christians know it, insist the law is done away they're not saying it is in our hearts. Obviously. When they insist the law is done away, that's finality. They don't say, the law is done away with but.....That would make no sense.

You know this. Don't challenge what you know the answer to.
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Or, to put it another way, you've got nothing.
 
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no I'm not Catholic, they who removed the 3rd commandment, moved the 4th up 1, then split the 10th to keep the numbers, who also by their own admission, moved the Sabbath from the day GOD sanctified, to what they call the Lords day,... there is no concentrating on sin, rather, it is to make aware, the sinful nature's that lurk within us ALL, & to recognise when they arise..... how did you judge me to be Catholic ?, we must safe guard ourselves from making assumptions or to be condescending of others....GODblessyou
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I didn't judge you to be anything

I asked you a QUESTION

we must safeguard ourselves from making assumptions or to be condescending of others
 
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Icedaisey said:
I see you're slandering Blik yet again. Pack of Jackals. You're a shame. All of you are.
Every last person here who has ever insisted the law of God is done away. And slippery nonsense doesn't revoke that fact either.
When the opponents of God's law, even the law of Christ, as Christians know it, insist the law is done away they're not saying it is in our hearts. Obviously. When they insist the law is done away, that's finality. They don't say, the law is done away with but.....That would make no sense.

You know this. Don't challenge what you know the answer to.
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All these people are not really slandering Blik, they are slandering God. They speak against truth, not Blik. It usually it centers on that God changes with the new covenant, or that we must not mention working for the Lord. That is slandering God. Then their great refrain is that they are lily white, perfect humans, and Blik just misunderstands them. Or they, with their perfect understanding and their perfection are only training Blik in the truth. The idea that humans are discussing scripture is beyond their ability to comprehend.
 
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