What do you think about works?

[Blik]

I agree with the text, but with out the Ten Commandments how can you receive that glory. Jesus said in (Matt. 19:16-17) (v.16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? That’s what we are all trying to obtain correct, eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Now if you want to enter into eternal life you must keep the commandments. Sounds like a little work to me.

You have to be perfect if you gain eternal life through keeping the commandments, and we achieve that perfection only through the forgiveness of sin Christ offers.

Christ said there was no one good but God, and that was while he was still in the flesh. Now Christ is one with God.

 

[Icedaisey]

no

we are not accountable to the law and it is not our teacher

my conviction is that all believers should familiarize themselves with the OT as it makes a foundation for the new, but we are not judged by the law if we are believers. in fact, we are no longer under condemnation

I will add that at times, this is misunderstood to mean we think we can sin with no effect, but that is not what is being said and not what anyone thinks. if someone believes that, they are deceived

the Holy Spirit is our teacher according to the NT and we are new creatures in Christ

much of the NT letters were written to correct error and one of the worst errors, was attempting to mix the law and belief in Christ

Why you are forever wrong? Because you ignore the law of Christ.
Shared from that link:
"The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6). He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights. By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou)

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possessio

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan
( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ). In light of this, Paul may have understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident.". Continues at prior link.



Matthew 12:21." And in His name the Gentiles will hope ."

To those who are confused by the anti-gospel rhetoric , consider what it is trying to lead you to believe.
The Christian is indwelt by Holy Spirit to serve in righteousness and good works,deeds, and God's kingdom....but the laws of God do not at all apply.

That's false.

The truth of God and righteousness that is reflected in God's guidance, the law of Christ, is that which leads us in righteousness.

Study to show yourself aware of what it means to be in Christ.

Because sin is lawlessness.

Those who deny the laws of God, Christ, pertain to the Christian today demonstrate by their false teachings what it is to live without God's,Christ's laws, infused into their living in Christ.

It is God's will that you know the difference. Those who are in Christ are in God's will,Covenant, and law.
Those who are not one of us, are not.

 

[Dino246]

if we break 1 commandment, are we not held accountable, is it Christian to envy your neighbours lifestyle, falsify documents or your words, is it ok to take money out of your mum's purse, or dads car without asking.... "Cursed is everyone who DOES NOT continue to do EVERYTHING written in the book of the Law".... does John not say in Revelations, the dragon makes war with the woman's seed, those who keep the commandments of GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,.... The saints keep the commandment of GOD and the faith of Christ.....Now unless I'm mistaken, aren't the Commandments and the Law the same thing ?

The standard of righteousness according to the law is perfection, nothing less. If you break the least of the commandments, you are guilty of breaking the law. The penalty is death.

That's why I don't try to relate to God on the basis of the Law; I am condemned by it, period. As are you.

 

[rayzor]

Blik Maybe it go's against the book..but not against god...if all things work together for those he loves then for those he loves ins't everything good?

 

[rayzor]

Why you are forever wrong? Because you ignore the law of Christ.
Shared from that link:
"The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6). He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights. By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou)

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possessio

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan
( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ). In light of this, Paul may have understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident.". Continues at prior link.



Matthew 12:21." And in His name the Gentiles will hope ."

To those who are confused by the anti-gospel rhetoric , consider what it is trying to lead you to believe.
The Christian is indwelt by Holy Spirit to serve in righteousness and good works,deeds, and God's kingdom....but the laws of God do not at all apply.

That's false.

The truth of God and righteousness that is reflected in God's guidance, the law of Christ, is that which leads us in righteousness.

Study to show yourself aware of what it means to be in Christ.

Because sin is lawlessness.

Those who deny the laws of God, Christ, pertain to the Christian today demonstrate by their false teachings what it is to live without God's,Christ's laws, infused into their living in Christ.

It is God's will that you know the difference. Those who are in Christ are in God's will,Covenant, and law.
Those who are not one of us, are not.

Just how difficult is it to put the law and christ together?..Really? and not know what it means?..crazy!

 

[Blik]

I am not the one pushing a law that no one but christ ever fulfilled. You are

the example you gave me was you wanting me to do it by my own power. You need to stop lying to yourself. You keep saying you are not saying this or that. Yet you are..

that is why you can‘t be believed.. you say one thing then deny you said it.

So don't believe me, you are certainly free to make your own way and to state what that way is. But you are not free to dictate to me my way, I use scripture for that. Your posts are full of "you" "you" "you" as you try to rule this "you" or "Blik". Scripture and the Lord is my ruler, not you. Nor am I your ruler, but I may state what I interpret scripture as saying, it is my right just as it is yours. You are taking on the judgment of me, not of what scripture says and you have no right to do that.

 

[Blik]

yea yea the law condemneds = old testament and the letter kills = new testament..but the spirit give grace.

The letter of the law is the law without love, and all law must have love to be true law. You can obey the letter of the ten commandments but do it without love, then you really aren't obeying the true ten commandments. They are true but incomplete because they can be obeyed without love. Those same laws put in our hearts are true law, for our hearts have love when we live through Christ. It is not our flesh, but the Lord within us.

 

[rayzor]

The letter of the law is the law without love, and all law must have love to be true law. You can obey the letter of the ten commandments but do it without love, then you really aren't obeying the true ten commandments. They are true but incomplete because they can be obeyed without love. Those same laws put in our hearts are true law, for our hearts have love when we live through Christ. It is not our flesh, but the Lord within us.

Remember the amendment the 11 commandment Jesus gave?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Many people don't understand what works actually means.

Titus 2:11-14 (ESV)
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

Revelation 20:12 (ASV)And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13.And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according their works.

amen that’s why Paul insisted it be a constant teaching in the church of believers so we don’t pretend they aren’t part of Our lives

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’d say they are understood here

“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the works Jesus taught are all about Godly love for others just like
He came and acted in love towards us some often already do good works and don’t realize it. Others are constantly wanting to explain no works are needed because thier works are much more selfish and without the proper regard for thier fellow man

 

[SophieT]

All I'm doing is fellowshipping and we can't ignore others scriptures in the book. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

oh gee and that is all I am doing too

you cannot create your own holiness so what are you going to do....

you can post scripture all day and all night but we know these things....are you suggesting we sin on purpose ?

I would hope that is not what you are saying. you have zero knowledge of how I or anyone else lives there life outside the forum and the same is true of you

you are very sin conscious....how about the grace of God that covers all our sins?

 

[Icedaisey]

Now you are NOT trying to judge hit, or strike at me? Have you read your posts?

It's called Transference.
The offender pastes their faults upon the one they target as a means of two fold assault.
Ever see very little kids act out? One will keep poking the other. The one they're poking will tell them to stop.
The offender will keep on while defending their actions, saying something like, I'm not poking you, I'm not poking you!

You will never reach that mindset. Only God can if it be his will.
Stay focused. God's got you. That really upsets the other guy.

 

[SophieT]

by the Law we understand sin, by following the Law we hold sin out of our lives, by keeping the parables of Christ we keep them out.

are you Catholic too? seems we have a bunch of Catholic sin conscious people in this thread

no I don't believe Blik is Catholic and I think she is less confused then you and several others here

you are very much wrong....concentrating on not sinning is not what salvation is about

Catholic then?

 

[SophieT]

I understand what you saying but Jesus says in Jesus say in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Let’s see who else you have to love, Jesus says in Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; People complain about the way the world is and won’t change themselves, to do the will of God. Pay attention to what Jesus says in Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. And that sword is the Word of God.

what are the commandments of Jesus?

did He not say a NEW commandment I give unto you?

not the 10 bro. not the 10

if the will of God to you is keeping the commandments, you will never attain it.

do you not have peace? is that why the law bothers you so much?

 

[Hone]

The standard of righteousness according to the law is perfection, nothing less. If you break the least of the commandments, you are guilty of breaking the law. The penalty is death.

That's why I don't try to relate to God on the basis of the Law; I am condemned by it, period. As are you.

isn't perfection what Jesus was in the flesh, aren't we who are his followers, instructed to be perfect in him, by him, and if we are, doesn't Jesus say we can do all that he did. Sin has condemned us, sin removed man from Eden, sin lessened our lives from centuries to decades. I don't relate to GOD through the commandments, I'm freed to embrace life without complications because of them,... I think I'm not the only one who knows, that relating to GOD can only be done through the word, prayer, a life with Christ and the life we lead.

 

[Dino246]

isn't perfection what Jesus was in the flesh, aren't we who are his followers, instructed to be perfect in him, by him, and if we are, doesn't Jesus say we can do all that he did. Sin has condemned us, sin removed man from Eden, sin lessened our lives from centuries to decades. I don't relate to GOD through the commandments, I'm freed to embrace life without complications because of them,... I think I'm not the only one who knows, that relating to GOD can only be done through the word, prayer, a life with Christ and the life we lead.

What does "I'm freed to embrace life without complications because of them" mean?

 

[Dino246]

concentrating on not sinning is not what salvation is about

This ^^^ is gold.

 

[Hone]

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are you Catholic too? seems we have a bunch of Catholic sin conscious people in this thread

no I don't believe Blik is Catholic and I think she is less confused then you and several others here

you are very much wrong....concentrating on not sinning is not what salvation is about

Catholic then?

no I'm not Catholic, they who removed the 3rd commandment, moved the 4th up 1, then split the 10th to keep the numbers, who also by their own admission, moved the Sabbath from the day GOD sanctified, to what they call the Lords day,... there is no concentrating on sin, rather, it is to make aware, the sinful nature's that lurk within us ALL, & to recognise when they arise..... how did you judge me to be Catholic ?, we must safe guard ourselves from making assumptions or to be condescending of others....GODblessyou

 

[Hone]

What does "I'm freed to embrace life without complications because of them" mean?

I live life openly, I'm the same person where ever I go, with whoever I meet, I have no hidden agendas, Im slow to anger, fast to forgive, I give my Love, patients, physicality, knowledge and time, I'm honest & truthful (to my detriment) where ever and to whom ever I encounter, and it's all thanks and glory to GOD, his embrace, led me to get closer to Christ, to seek understanding of the scriptures, to make sacrifices and end vices, that hinder my walk to righteousness,... far from the finished product, but continue to walk to him, life in him gets easier

 

[tourist]

What do you think about works?

They stem from, and are a logical and spiritual consequence of, Faith.

Ephesians
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I am in agreement with you on this.

 

[Icedaisey]

amen that’s why Paul insisted it be a constant teaching in the church of believers so we don’t pretend they aren’t part of Our lives

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’d say they are understood here

“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the works Jesus taught are all about Godly love for others just like
He came and acted in love towards us some often already do good works and don’t realize it. Others are constantly wanting to explain no works are needed because thier works are much more selfish and without the proper regard for thier fellow man

Amen.