Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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Ecclesiasticus 17:25. “Return unto the Lord, and forsake thy sins, make thy prayer before his face, and offend less.”. King James Version (KJV)
Return, I pray you, let it not be iniquity; yea, return again, my righteousness is in it. Malachi 3:7 | View whole chapter | See verse in context. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.
There are many, many more.
Ecclesiasticus 17:25. “Return unto the Lord, and forsake thy sins, make thy prayer before his face, and offend less.”. King James Version (KJV)
Return, I pray you, let it not be iniquity; yea, return again, my righteousness is in it. Malachi 3:7 | View whole chapter | See verse in context. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.
There are many, many more.
Listen closely to James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds. Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds."
I will point out that I moved the second quote mark from after the first "deeds" to after the second "deeds". I did this because the verse makes NO SENSE where all the translations place that second quote mark.
The "someone" actually says the whole verse: you have faith; I have deeds. Show me (the someone) your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith BY MY DEEDS.
iow, the "someone" begins by noting he has deeds. But the next sentence shows that he says that he can "show you" his faith BY HIS DEEDS.
This "someone" is addressing another who "has faith". So the "someone" is challenging the other person to show him his faith without any deeds.
The point is; a believer cannot show their faith apart from their deeds.
And that was the example James gave in v.15,16.
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?
iow, it isn't any good. Words don't meet needs. Actions do.
Yep, and that didn't save him either. What is your point?
I gave you a clear explanation of James 2:18, yet you come back with this:
So, either you didn't even bother to read it, or you did and rejected it altogether. Why would you do either?
James 2:18 is a very clear summary of James' point about a dead faith. It DOESN'T demonstrate one's faith.
But ignorant pastors all over the country (and world) have misunderstood James think James was teaching that a faith without deeds doesn't save. Just plain ignorance.
James taught that a faith without deeds can't be demonstrated.
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds. Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds."
I will point out that I moved the second quote mark from after the first "deeds" to after the second "deeds". I did this because the verse makes NO SENSE where all the translations place that second quote mark.
The "someone" actually says the whole verse: you have faith; I have deeds. Show me (the someone) your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith BY MY DEEDS.
iow, the "someone" begins by noting he has deeds. But the next sentence shows that he says that he can "show you" his faith BY HIS DEEDS.
This "someone" is addressing another who "has faith". So the "someone" is challenging the other person to show him his faith without any deeds.
The point is; a believer cannot show their faith apart from their deeds.
And that was the example James gave in v.15,16.
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?
iow, it isn't any good. Words don't meet needs. Actions do.
Yep, and that didn't save him either. What is your point?
I gave you a clear explanation of James 2:18, yet you come back with this:
So, either you didn't even bother to read it, or you did and rejected it altogether. Why would you do either?
James 2:18 is a very clear summary of James' point about a dead faith. It DOESN'T demonstrate one's faith.
But ignorant pastors all over the country (and world) have misunderstood James think James was teaching that a faith without deeds doesn't save. Just plain ignorance.
James taught that a faith without deeds can't be demonstrated.
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If you are saved here on earth...then what does God judge you for...." it is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement".
Pray tell...what is God judging?
Remember....savED (is history.... If SAVED how can one then be ........judged by God ............after death?
I doubt God is happy with someone who says they can block God;s judgment.
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VARob said:
Can you ever stop being a child of your earthly father?
Neither can you become an un-son of God.
Please verify this from Scripture. No one can be unborn. That's a one way deal, both physically and spiritually.
Can you ever stop being a child of your earthly father?
Neither can you become an un-son of God.
Please verify this from Scripture. No one can be unborn. That's a one way deal, both physically and spiritually.
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Both the saved and the unsaved will face judgment. The saved will be judged or evaluated to determine eternal reward. 2 Cor 5:10 The unbeliever will be judged to determine how tolerable it will be for them in the lake of fire.
That is what Jesus taught: Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”
Works. See above.
That is what Jesus taught: Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”
Works. See above.
FreeGrace2 said:
Incorrect. The MOMENT a person believes in Christ for salvation, they are eternally secure and will NOT come into condemnation.
John 5:24 says to plainly.
What verse do you suppose says this? Or is this just your own feeling?
Apparently you have never read John 5:24. Why don't you take your own advice?
And, while you are at it, I suggest that you study John 10:28 real hard. Maybe you'll learn that receiving eternal life results in NEVER PERISHING. So said Jesus.
Incorrect. The MOMENT a person believes in Christ for salvation, they are eternally secure and will NOT come into condemnation.
John 5:24 says to plainly.
What verse do you suppose says this? Or is this just your own feeling?
Apparently you have never read John 5:24. Why don't you take your own advice?
And, while you are at it, I suggest that you study John 10:28 real hard. Maybe you'll learn that receiving eternal life results in NEVER PERISHING. So said Jesus.
Wild ideas? No. Merely asking for clarification on this statement of yours in a prior post to JeffA: "Then you are sin/unbelief, NOT because you choose to set aside Saturday as a day unto the LORD(which is GOOD) but because you seek to add to the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross by saying "one must obey Saturday sabbath"."
Since we have come to Christ, who does not sin??? You, me, others???
"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
1 John 2:1-2
GOD is SERIOUS in this Eternal Commandment: Exodus 31
And the LORD said to Moses, 13“Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. 15For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.
16The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. 17It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
HE has never changed HIS MIND - so what did in FACT change???
"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
1 John 2:1-2
GOD is SERIOUS in this Eternal Commandment: Exodus 31
And the LORD said to Moses, 13“Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. 15For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.
16The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. 17It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
HE has never changed HIS MIND - so what did in FACT change???
Paul is specifically clarifying the need to believe in Jesus' resurrection in 1 Cor. 15. He declares the Corinthians were saved by the gospel. He goes on in verse 3 to express the first part of the gospel involves Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. His mention of delivering unto them the first thing indicates there is more to the gospel message. Paul's mention of the group being baptized for the dead in verse 29 indicates water baptism was part of the message preached. Notice the connection between sins and baptism. If Jesus did not resurrect then washing away of sins could not be realized in obedience to water baptism.
"...For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:...
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?...
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins...
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?..."
"...For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:...
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?...
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins...
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?..."
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No, you can't. If you're a Christian, born of God, a son of God, you cannot become an un-son. It's seed.
We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
We're talking about Christianity.
Crowns are rewards, not salvation. Rewards are earned, and can be lost. Salvation is a gift, given when we confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead.
"Backsliding" Christians can lose rewards, but not salvation.
We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
We're talking about Christianity.
Crowns are rewards, not salvation. Rewards are earned, and can be lost. Salvation is a gift, given when we confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead.
"Backsliding" Christians can lose rewards, but not salvation.
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SEE post 856
GOD is serious, no work on HIS SABBATH REST
So you have TWO choices - either attempt to please the FATHER on saturday rest or OBEY the FATHER and Find REST purely in CHRIST.
This does not mean you cannot continue on a saturday to gather in His Name - but it does mean that that day of the week has ZERO bearing on pleasing/obeying HIM.
Those who believe they are pleasing GOD by saturday or sunday rest have miss understood the ARK of the Covenant REST.
Pray for understanding and read the Gospel of John and Acts and the Letters of the Apostles - they NEVER instruct us unto obeying saturday rest and neither did CHRIST.
AND that can only mean and point to ONE thing which is not a thing but a PERSON.
GOD is serious, no work on HIS SABBATH REST
So you have TWO choices - either attempt to please the FATHER on saturday rest or OBEY the FATHER and Find REST purely in CHRIST.
This does not mean you cannot continue on a saturday to gather in His Name - but it does mean that that day of the week has ZERO bearing on pleasing/obeying HIM.
Those who believe they are pleasing GOD by saturday or sunday rest have miss understood the ARK of the Covenant REST.
Pray for understanding and read the Gospel of John and Acts and the Letters of the Apostles - they NEVER instruct us unto obeying saturday rest and neither did CHRIST.
AND that can only mean and point to ONE thing which is not a thing but a PERSON.
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