Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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Her claims are NOT false. 
Another clue is that even Nicodemus was wrong about a man being born a second time from a mother. If being “born of water” is a reference to live birth then that’s only the first birth and couldn’t have any bearing on being “born again” (as in born a second time) as John 3 says.
“Water and Spirit” is definitely not live birth.
Hello,
I’m pondering if there is a difference between being SAVED and being BORN AGAIN….
SAVED by the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ; and
BORN AGAIN by Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism.
What are your thoughts?
I’m pondering if there is a difference between being SAVED and being BORN AGAIN….
SAVED by the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ; and
BORN AGAIN by Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism.
What are your thoughts?
Born again is our status on earth as long as we have;
1) Repented
2) Been baptized
3) Live a righteous life until the end. (Bible says...maintain until the end)
Saved;
The Bible says..."it is appointed unto man once to die"....after that the Judgement.
Upon physical death from this earthly body we will be judged. Christ will judge us ...saved....or we will be denied eternal salvation.
ds is not in conformatiance with agod's commandment...He said water.
LOL...take it up with science;
Blood....not water
Urine...not water
Tears...not water
Amniotic fluid....not water
Cellular fluid....not water
Saliva...not water
Spinal fluid...not water
Breast milk...not water
Mucus...not water
Pericardial fluid...not water
Digestive fluids in stomach...not water
et al
Baptism in any of the above fluids is not baptism in water....... per God's commandment.
Water is water. We can't change the Bible.
LOL...take it up with science;
Blood....not water
Urine...not water
Tears...not water
Amniotic fluid....not water
Cellular fluid....not water
Saliva...not water
Spinal fluid...not water
Breast milk...not water
Mucus...not water
Pericardial fluid...not water
Digestive fluids in stomach...not water
et al
Baptism in any of the above fluids is not baptism in water....... per God's commandment.
Water is water. We can't change the Bible.
I think if we believe baptism with water is mandatory to secure our Salvation, we're then ignoring the teaching that we are saved by faith through God's grace.
I think if we believe baptism saves then John the Baptizer in John 1 was saving people, including Jesus himself when Jesus was baptized by John.
We are appointed once to die. After that the judgement.
We are born spiritually dead. But are made alive through Christ.
Born of water, we are layer baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Born of water and spirit. But we are saved by grace through faith. And those are the gifts of God, that we not boast we accomplished this ourselves.
I think if we believe baptism saves then John the Baptizer in John 1 was saving people, including Jesus himself when Jesus was baptized by John.
We are appointed once to die. After that the judgement.
We are born spiritually dead. But are made alive through Christ.
Born of water, we are layer baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Born of water and spirit. But we are saved by grace through faith. And those are the gifts of God, that we not boast we accomplished this ourselves.
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It is science. Womb water, Amniotic Flyid, is 98% water. It is inhaled and swallowed by the baby during gestation and has everything to do with human development.
The other 2% of Amniotic Fluid is comprised of fetal cells, proteins, elecyrolytes, etc... And it also changes in composition as the baby develops.
Look it up.
Amniotic Fluid ingredients.
Ever heard of a pregnant woman's water breaking?
The other 2% of Amniotic Fluid is comprised of fetal cells, proteins, elecyrolytes, etc... And it also changes in composition as the baby develops.
Look it up.
Amniotic Fluid ingredients.
Ever heard of a pregnant woman's water breaking?
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Being born via live birth is the first birth and not being "born again." Jesus said being born of water and Spirit is how someone is born again. So live birth, though amniotic flue contains mostly water, is not the "Born again by water" birth John 3 is talking about. Now read John 3 again and see if it makes sense.
John 3:5-7
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Furthermore, if you want to refer to amniotic fluid as water because it is mostly water, then the Bible should confirm that if something is made mostly out of water then, for all intents and purposes, it might as well be called water too. However, the Bible clearly makes distinction between water and things made of mostly water such as the case is with water and blood.
John 19:34
34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
1 John 5:8
8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
John 3:5-7
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Furthermore, if you want to refer to amniotic fluid as water because it is mostly water, then the Bible should confirm that if something is made mostly out of water then, for all intents and purposes, it might as well be called water too. However, the Bible clearly makes distinction between water and things made of mostly water such as the case is with water and blood.
John 19:34
34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
1 John 5:8
8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
No one is saying amniotic fluid is the water of being born again.
Jesus spoke to Nicodemus figuratively using earthly things…like being “born.”
A human baby is flesh…it is born by water (amniotic fluid) and flesh.
A child of God is spirit…we are born again by water baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism.
We are saved by the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ.
Jesus spoke to Nicodemus figuratively using earthly things…like being “born.”
A human baby is flesh…it is born by water (amniotic fluid) and flesh.
A child of God is spirit…we are born again by water baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism.
We are saved by the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ.
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You'll notice the emphasis is of water and of spirit to be born again.
Which makes sense when we know we were born of water and spiritually dead the first time.
The reflection upon that birth and the regeneration that occurs when we are saved by faith through the grace of God, not of ourselves so that none may boast, is what then shows us water baptism cannot be salvific.
Therein, we are born again when having been born of water we are born of the Holy Spirit that saved us. By grace through faith. Not of ourselves that none may boast.
It is boasting that says we must be baptized to be saved. Because choosing to be baptized is an act of ourselves not a free irrevocable gift of God as faith and Salvation are.
We are told we are saved by God's grace through faith. Not we are saved by God's grace through faith and baptism.
Not of ourselves.
Which makes sense when we know we were born of water and spiritually dead the first time.
The reflection upon that birth and the regeneration that occurs when we are saved by faith through the grace of God, not of ourselves so that none may boast, is what then shows us water baptism cannot be salvific.
Therein, we are born again when having been born of water we are born of the Holy Spirit that saved us. By grace through faith. Not of ourselves that none may boast.
It is boasting that says we must be baptized to be saved. Because choosing to be baptized is an act of ourselves not a free irrevocable gift of God as faith and Salvation are.
We are told we are saved by God's grace through faith. Not we are saved by God's grace through faith and baptism.
Not of ourselves.
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I know that Water Baptism does NOT save us and I’ve understood Water Baptism to be much like Circumcision— as a Sign of Covenant but no power to save anyone.
However, now I’m seeing that Water Baptism does play a part in the being born again process that occurs AFTER being saved by faith in Jesus Christ alone.
However, now I’m seeing that Water Baptism does play a part in the being born again process that occurs AFTER being saved by faith in Jesus Christ alone.
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Amen.
Interestingly, the human body is 3/4th's water.
And as an aside, 3/4th's, three-quarters, of the Earth is covered by water.
i think that's pretty nifty.
Interestingly, the human body is 3/4th's water.
And as an aside, 3/4th's, three-quarters, of the Earth is covered by water.
i think that's pretty nifty.
The Earth is also going through all the same baptisms like us… Water, Holy Spirit, and Fire.
Water = Noah’s Flood
Holy Spirit = Outpouring on all flesh
Fire = in the future when God destroys all inhabitants with Fire.
God is so nifty!!!
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I think this is an interesting study if someone has the time. It is related to this discussion too.
https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-1-john-57-8
The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8
https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-1-john-57-8
The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8
I believe that being Born Again by water and Spirit is the Water Baptism and the Holy Spirit Baptism which does not happen until AFTER we are saved by believing in Jesus Christ- ONLY His Blood and Body saves us and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit but not yet baptized with the Holy Spirit.
After we’re saved, we get the Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism - now we’re born again.
After we’re saved, we get the Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism - now we’re born again.
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