water baptism in Jesus' Name.

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LightOfMyLife

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It is only the blood that washes away our sins. When Jesus was baptized by his cousin John The Baptist it was immersion because it represents going under the water the death and burial, and coming out of the water the resurrection. Baptism does not save remember the 1 thief on the cross who repented who believed Jesus is the son of God was told by Jesus today thou shall be with me in paradise.
 
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I continue to preach the whole counsel of God.....

Therefore, no one's blood is going to be on my head.
 
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LightOfMyLife said:
It is only the blood that washes away our sins. When Jesus was baptized by his cousin John The Baptist it was immersion because it represents going under the water the death and burial, and coming out of the water the resurrection. Baptism does not save remember the 1 thief on the cross who repented who believed Jesus is the son of God was told by Jesus today thou shall be with me in paradise.
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There is no guarantee that the thief on the cross had never been baptized.

The fact that he affirmed Jesus' Lordship indicates that he may have indeed been baptized (see Luke 7:29-30).

Luk 7:29, And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30, But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
 
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LightOfMyLife said:
It is only the blood that washes away our sins. When Jesus was baptized by his cousin John The Baptist it was immersion because it represents going under the water the death and burial, and coming out of the water the resurrection. Baptism does not save remember the 1 thief on the cross who repented who believed Jesus is the son of God was told by Jesus today thou shall be with me in paradise.
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Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
 
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heartwashed said:
There is no guarantee that the thief on the cross had never been baptized.

The fact that he affirmed Jesus' Lordship indicates that he may have indeed been baptized (see Luke 7:29-30).

Luk 7:29, And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30, But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
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He was nailed to the cross he didn't come off the cross to be baptized.
 
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LightOfMyLife said:
He was nailed to the cross he didn't come off the cross to be baptized.
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But he may have been baptized before he went to his own cross.

Sometimes the effect of baptism (walking in newness of life) does not happen until later in the person's life.
 
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Being baptised for the remission of sins ...

'for' doesn't mean .. makes sins clean..

It's 'because of' or 'in reference to'

The Greek is 'eis' for 'for' which has the above meaning.

But aside from this.. go to the book of John and see how much baptism is mentioned there.
 
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wattie said:
Being baptised for the remission of sins ...

'for' doesn't mean .. makes sins clean..

It's 'because of' or 'in reference to'

The Greek is 'eis' for 'for' which has the above meaning.

But aside from this.. go to the book of John and see how much baptism is mentioned there.
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It is mentioned in chapter 3 and 4...it does not need to be mentioned further in the book because the subject has been dealt with.

Also, "for" means "for" as it is rendered in the kjv.

There are those who fulfill the prophecy in 2 Timothy 4:3 by heaping to themselves teachers, in the translators of watered down versions, to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.
 
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heartwashed said:
It is mentioned in chapter 3 and 4...it does not need to be mentioned further in the book because the subject has been dealt with.

Also, "for" means "for" as it is rendered in the kjv.

There are those who fulfill the prophecy in 2 Timothy 4:3 by heaping to themselves teachers, in the translators of watered down versions, to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.
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I use the KJV.

Baptism by immersion is a work. Works cannot save anyone. The bible is crystal clear on this.

'for' the remission of sins..

A person is saved by believing on Jesus Christ. That is it, that is all.

Mailmandan has this covered.

'for' is like.. 'ive been saved by Jesus Christ, baptism is 'for' this fact.'

That's why it means 'because of', or 'in reference to'

Gotta read the whole context.
 
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So only those baptisms performed in the name of Jesus only are valid? Everyone else isn't saved?
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I do not go so far as to teach that, except in that I bring up certain verses for contemplation (Acts 2:39 & Romans 8:30).
 
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I think that the verses in question teach it, so I believe in it to a certain extent; until those verses are answered.
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Fair enough. All I can say is my interpretation of scripture differs from yours significantly where this is concerned.
 
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