1Cor 8:3 aren't my words. Nor is Jn 16:27! You just HATE God's Truth, don't you? You are just like the lost God-hating world that consider the Gospel to be foolishness.
Understanding God’s election
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1Cor 8:3 aren't my words. Nor is Jn 16:27! You just HATE God's Truth, don't you? You are just like the lost God-hating world that consider the Gospel to be foolishness.
You aren’t totally good at taking hints huh? Not suprising given your Bible interpretations though lol
well you’ve been entertaining but I have things to do you’ll have to find another person to troll for awhile
Translate: You're UNABLE to reconcile Acts 10 with the examples I have given. And here I thought your all powerful, mighty "freewill" that can will itself to become something it's not by nature would be able to address issues like these. Hmm...but rather weakness and impotence clearly characterize your "freewill".
You aren’t totally good at taking hints huh? Not suprising given your Bible interpretations though lol
well you’ve been entertaining but I have things to do you’ll have to find another person to troll for awhile
I'm as good at taking "hints" as you are at defending the heresies that inhere in FWT.
And the good part is to believe the gospel and the bad part is to reject it.
Right I agree. That’s the new covenant the gospel and hearing and belief is the requirement. If we believe the gospel it’s going to result in salvation but it’s going to change our actions as well in the way there
if we reject the gospel and invent other things it’s going to lead to a different destination.
our choice is to believe or reject the gospel to dismiss or hold close the gospel to disregard or to follow after and pursue the gospel …..
No. for those placed under the New Covenant by God, through Christ's offering, NO requirements exist that they must satisfy. God, Himself, assumed responsibility to achieve and impute all on their behalf - and that is what makes salvation is by grace.
It was all achieved through Christ. Notice in the below verses that:
- the covenant is unilateral - it being directly from God in its fullness to His chosen with acceptance neither required nor possible
- the "I" and "he" designates that all are God's actions, none of them man's
- God places His laws into their hearts and minds. By that, no part remains undone, nor that must be "received" by them.
- For those placed under the New Covenant, their sins and iniquities, He remembers no more.
- By the remission of their sins, God has removed all possibility for further offering for sin - Christ's offering was fully sufficient.
- There is nothing that remains for the recipient to do in order to achieve it.
[Heb 10:14, 16-18 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
AMEN to that! One drop of Jesus' shed blood could have efficaciously saved the entire world if He had ordained that! But as it is, God has chosen instead to "play favorites", since he has historically treated men unequally. He treated the Israelities in the wilderness differently with the bronze serpent incident. Even before that, he treated the Hebrews in Egypt differently than he did the Egyptians. And even long before that, He treated Adam and Eve in the Garden differently. God is most definitely a "respecter of persons".
I have a question for you Rufus.
Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that
we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
Whom is Paul speaking to in chapter seven is it the Gentiles or the Jews?
AMEN brother! Amen! The New Covenant is 1,000% EFFECTUAL GRACE. God isn't a potential Savior. Nor a possible Savior. Nor does he toss people life preserver lines giving them opportunities to save themselves. He actually SAVES His covenant people which are Abraham's descendants!
Yes, God will put his laws to them, and their sins will be remembered anymore them that does the will of God"...after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. Hebrews 10:36 or those "...that believe to the saving of the soul." Hebrews 10:39
yeah ….believing the gospel isn’t required for salvation …….this is a wierd place
Not possible. No one can do the will of the Father until He first places His laws into the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant, as those verses tell us. Doing comes from that. There are no qualifications, requirements, nor conditions specified in those verses placed upon those chosen that they must first achieve - on the contrary, it was all achieved by Christ through the Father's exceedingly great mercy and grace.
We must first have His word abiding in us in order to truly believe, and that abiding comes from the New Covenant when God writes
His laws into our hearts and minds.
[Jhn 5:38 KJV] 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
I will put my laws in tbier minds and hearts ….is a reference to people hearing and believing the gospel that’s how it gets into our minds and hearts we hear and believe the gospel.
You misrepresent what those verses explicitly say - they say nothing even remotely close to that. If you were correct, it would then mean the people would do the writing instead of God, but the verses are clear, it is solely by God alone, otherwise, He wouldn't need to write anything because they would already have written it within themselves in order for them to believe.
He’s not trying to he’s going in circles trying to avoid what Paul’s actually saying because it’s been wuoted to him several times he can’t accept the concept here
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Who will render to every man according to his deeds: ( everyone’s treated the same )
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, ( all inclusive ) of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, ( non exclusive ) to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
( now he concludes his point ) for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
i know you see what is being said but his intent is to reject what’s there and create a meritless judgement where God just chose people regardless of thier deeds beforehand …..
so notice there’s no scriptire it’s just a circular argument that condludes the opposite of what’s plainly and simply stated
He can’t accept this simple concept that’s repeated many times over
“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
Acts 10:34-35
everyones the same to God we’ve all sinned and need saving …….but often we simply reject his word and create our own and then label it his
What verses are you talking about ? The quote from Jeremiah 31 that’s in Hebrews ?
It can be found in multiple places, but I quoted this:
[Heb 10:14, 16-18 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
“they say nothing even remotely close to that.”
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that’s how God puts his truth in us and how people are saved by Gods grace …. It’s pretty basic stuff suprised so many Christian’s argue against it
ahh and those verses erase the rest of the chapter and what’s said? So because of your wuote this isn’t true then that’s a few words later
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV
see how your only willing to pick and choose verses that make things sound like you want them to sound ? Explain to me why the rest of the chapter you quoted from is invalid ?