Understanding God’s election
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Two things: You didn't find Adam mentioned in Gen 3:15. And secondly, you don't know the difference between comparisons and contrasts. And if Christ committed suicide then he is a sinner, since murder, as I seem to recall is verboten in scripture.
And where's the chapter and verse that "Adam sweat great drops in blood in the garden"? You are totally delusional.
And before you go celebrating your hero's life because he wasn't deceived as the Woman was, you should understand that that truth does NOT bode well for Adam for several reasons. The first one is that he sinned with his eyes wide open; he willfully sinned -- so much so that his sin is characterized as transgression (Rom 5:14), where Eve's is not. Secondly, arrogant and prideful Adam, who blamed God and the woman for his sin, never did acknowledge his sin before the Lord; for he hid his sin from the Lord (Job 31:33 per the most literal translations, e.g. KJV, Darby, YLT, NASB).
And where's the chapter and verse that "Adam sweat great drops in blood in the garden"? You are totally delusional.
And before you go celebrating your hero's life because he wasn't deceived as the Woman was, you should understand that that truth does NOT bode well for Adam for several reasons. The first one is that he sinned with his eyes wide open; he willfully sinned -- so much so that his sin is characterized as transgression (Rom 5:14), where Eve's is not. Secondly, arrogant and prideful Adam, who blamed God and the woman for his sin, never did acknowledge his sin before the Lord; for he hid his sin from the Lord (Job 31:33 per the most literal translations, e.g. KJV, Darby, YLT, NASB).
Brutally tragic ignorance is the calling card of the Calvinites.
And yes, I am definitely right about what I say.
In fact, Adam, who was not deceived by THE WISEST MOST POWERFUL BEING EVER CREATED (who deceived mighty angels including other Cherubim no doubt), quite literally DEFEATED SATAN in a roundabout way, which is of course ANOTHER reason why Adam is a type of Christ, and why God prophesied of the GREATER ADAM to come and by virtue of this future FULL AND FINAL defeat of Satan, redeemed both Adam and the Woman by His blood yet to be shed.
And there is your lesson for today. You and the rest of the Calvinistas.
And yes, I am definitely right about what I say.
In fact, Adam, who was not deceived by THE WISEST MOST POWERFUL BEING EVER CREATED (who deceived mighty angels including other Cherubim no doubt), quite literally DEFEATED SATAN in a roundabout way, which is of course ANOTHER reason why Adam is a type of Christ, and why God prophesied of the GREATER ADAM to come and by virtue of this future FULL AND FINAL defeat of Satan, redeemed both Adam and the Woman by His blood yet to be shed.
And there is your lesson for today. You and the rest of the Calvinistas.
Right. Thats exactly what happened.
If you disagree, tell us....who is mighty enough to kill God? The anti-christ? Satan? Who.
Some crummy Romans? Pathetic corrupt Jewish leaders? Who?
Nobody thats who.
[Jhn 10:17 KJV]
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[Jhn 10:18 KJV]
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
If you disagree, tell us....who is mighty enough to kill God? The anti-christ? Satan? Who.
Some crummy Romans? Pathetic corrupt Jewish leaders? Who?
Nobody thats who.
[Jhn 10:17 KJV]
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[Jhn 10:18 KJV]
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Well, Satan didn't approach Adam. He approached who he thought would be the weaker of the two: Eve. (And the devil was right!) But this is precisely what made Adam's sin so egregious: He deliberately and willfully disobeyed after being told directly by God what the consequences would be. Eve was not told that. But Adam was! How in the world did Adam defeat Satan when he disobeyed God, which was what Satan wanted him to do? What manner of perverse, twisted, even demonic logic would ever lead anyone to think that Adam defeated Satan in any way, shape or form!? I have read some pretty sick stuff on these so-called Christian forums, but what you just wrote just might top them all.
In fact, this is why God's anger burned against Adam when He unceremoniously ejected (drove) the man from the Garden. But more on this point and other goodies must wait until tomorrow. As I recall I drew up several years ago about a 15-point argument (which I have tweaked on and off) on why Adam was condemned and Eve was reconciled to God. So stay tuned. And you will also learn how Adam is a type of Satan by the POSITIVE comparisons I have made between these two evil characters. So...to find something positive about Adam, one must literally compare him to the devil for there are several ways Adam resembles the evil one.
And quit flattering yourself already. You're not equipped to teach anyone here God's truth.
But here's your Mission Impossible if you have the courage to accept it: Find in the bible one explicit positive statement about Adam with respect to Christ.
In fact, this is why God's anger burned against Adam when He unceremoniously ejected (drove) the man from the Garden. But more on this point and other goodies must wait until tomorrow. As I recall I drew up several years ago about a 15-point argument (which I have tweaked on and off) on why Adam was condemned and Eve was reconciled to God. So stay tuned. And you will also learn how Adam is a type of Satan by the POSITIVE comparisons I have made between these two evil characters. So...to find something positive about Adam, one must literally compare him to the devil for there are several ways Adam resembles the evil one.
And quit flattering yourself already. You're not equipped to teach anyone here God's truth.
But here's your Mission Impossible if you have the courage to accept it: Find in the bible one explicit positive statement about Adam with respect to Christ.
He laid down his life in obedience to his Father's will. Are you this ignorant of the scriptures?
Matt 26:39
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
NIV
Jesus did what He HAD to do to save his Father's elect. People who commit suicide do so as a means of ESCAPE. (Recall Judas? So, now are you going to make positive comparisons between Judas and Christ?) But Jesus laid down his life to achieve a greater good. He didn't lay down his life to escape anything! He laid his life knowing that he would suffer a very painful death on behalf of his Father's chosen people. He didn't escape pain or suffering, like Judas tried to, but rather he knew what a bitter cup it would be to drink. But he drank it anyway.
Matt 26:39
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
NIV
Jesus did what He HAD to do to save his Father's elect. People who commit suicide do so as a means of ESCAPE. (Recall Judas? So, now are you going to make positive comparisons between Judas and Christ?) But Jesus laid down his life to achieve a greater good. He didn't lay down his life to escape anything! He laid his life knowing that he would suffer a very painful death on behalf of his Father's chosen people. He didn't escape pain or suffering, like Judas tried to, but rather he knew what a bitter cup it would be to drink. But he drank it anyway.
But that doesn't mean that Adam appropriated by faith the sacrifice God made. I discuss this verse in my argument. Look at the Jews under the Old Covenant and how God became totally disgusted with their animal sacrifices that they MADE -- because they didn't make them with faith or in good faith or with righteous intentions. Conversely, there is biblical evidence that Eve did put her faith in God. But there is zero evidence that Adam did.
Jesus is God. Him dying because He wanted to has zero sin or weakness or anything else attached to it that is not glorious.
But you think that it DOES demonstrate weakness and sin. In fact you just said so. And it's blasphemous to say so.
And of course you have absolutely no idea whatsoever of what that passage means. Like zero.
Calvinistas never do.
Man you are wiffing at the plate EVERY TIME. That is the Calvinista way.
But you think that it DOES demonstrate weakness and sin. In fact you just said so. And it's blasphemous to say so.
And of course you have absolutely no idea whatsoever of what that passage means. Like zero.
Calvinistas never do.
Man you are wiffing at the plate EVERY TIME. That is the Calvinista way.
Again you totally blew it. I mean you are completely totally wrong.
The Calvinistas never get it right. Never.
Judas was NOT sorry in the sense of true repentance.
The Satan-man Judas was "remorseful" that his idiotic "master plan" which was ALWAYS doomed to failure........failed. And if you cared to study what he did afterward, you would realize that he switched gears to plan B. And that failed miserably as well. But such a deep study is waaaaay past your paygrade, that much is obvious.
And when the Satan-man reappears in the 70th week of Daniel, he will fail miserably as well.
But Satan does deceive a lot of dummies, along the way, who "fall to their death". Probably a lot of Calvinites too. Man, those Calvinists, they are easy pickings.
The Calvinistas never get it right. Never.
Judas was NOT sorry in the sense of true repentance.
The Satan-man Judas was "remorseful" that his idiotic "master plan" which was ALWAYS doomed to failure........failed. And if you cared to study what he did afterward, you would realize that he switched gears to plan B. And that failed miserably as well. But such a deep study is waaaaay past your paygrade, that much is obvious.
And when the Satan-man reappears in the 70th week of Daniel, he will fail miserably as well.
But Satan does deceive a lot of dummies, along the way, who "fall to their death". Probably a lot of Calvinites too. Man, those Calvinists, they are easy pickings.
Yes, he did, that's why God told him" in the day you eat you shall surely die" Gen 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
No if you eat, but when you eat of it. See he must die so than God would reveal to him his coming redeemer, the seed of the woman.
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
No if you eat, but when you eat of it. See he must die so than God would reveal to him his coming redeemer, the seed of the woman.
What sense does this even make? It is highly likely based on the slain animal as evidenced by the coats of skins that God make a blood covenant with Adam promising to save him, and gave him and Eve the animal skins as a covering for their sin. Covenants were the pattern throughout history of God's dealing with man so it's pretty safe I think to assume God made a blood covenant with him, the greatest man who ever lived, btw, except for Christ.
JN 16:15 follows v.13, "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth." Thus "All" in v. 15 refers to GW, NOT to the elect.
RM 9:11-14 refers to God's purpose in election: that salvation is not earned by human desire or effort, but on God's mercy, and 1TM 2:3-4 says that God loves everyone and wants all to be saved. The harmonization? God elects whomever reflects His love by accepting His offer of mercy.
RM 9:11-14 refers to God's purpose in election: that salvation is not earned by human desire or effort, but on God's mercy, and 1TM 2:3-4 says that God loves everyone and wants all to be saved. The harmonization? God elects whomever reflects His love by accepting His offer of mercy.
What? You are saying that Holy God is liable for premeditated murder?
And you are saying that Holy God had murder in His heart from before Adam was ever created?
And you are saying that not only did God premeditate a plan to have Adam die, He also created all of Adams
offspring with the premeditated murderous intent that all of THEM would be cast into the lake of fire as well,
except those that won the rigged cosmic lottery that God alone is running, a scheme that they did not
ever have a chance to participate in.
Yes, there are many Calvinites who believe that. And those are many of the lies of Satan.
Yes, they believe the lies of Satan, that God caused EVERY AND ALL evil in the world.
And yes, Satan believes that it was God Himself that PREMEDITATED HIS OWN FALL as well.
Thankfully, God does NOT do that, say that he does that, nor does the Bible teach or demonstrate that.
On the contrary, the Bible teaches that each man is liable for his own sin. Including Satan.
And you are saying that Holy God had murder in His heart from before Adam was ever created?
And you are saying that not only did God premeditate a plan to have Adam die, He also created all of Adams
offspring with the premeditated murderous intent that all of THEM would be cast into the lake of fire as well,
except those that won the rigged cosmic lottery that God alone is running, a scheme that they did not
ever have a chance to participate in.
Yes, there are many Calvinites who believe that. And those are many of the lies of Satan.
Yes, they believe the lies of Satan, that God caused EVERY AND ALL evil in the world.
And yes, Satan believes that it was God Himself that PREMEDITATED HIS OWN FALL as well.
Thankfully, God does NOT do that, say that he does that, nor does the Bible teach or demonstrate that.
On the contrary, the Bible teaches that each man is liable for his own sin. Including Satan.