Understanding God’s election

[Rufus]

Yes. Grace response to not bowing the knee to Baal. Saved from death of the sword.

Or...the 7,000 responded to God's grace which kept them faithful to Him, and so God spared them from the sword.

 

[brightfame52]

Not precise, but false?

As I asked before, which part? Or which parts?

Again, if you're questioning my use of "loyal" there are reasons I used the word, especially in books like Kings:

NET 1 Ki. 1:52 Solomon said, "If he is a loyal subject, not a hair of his head will be harmed, but if he is found to be a traitor, he will die."
NET 1 Ki. 3:3 Solomon demonstrated his loyalty to the LORD by following the practices of his father David, except that he offered sacrifices and burned incense on the high places.
NET 1 Ki. 3:6 Solomon replied, "You demonstrated great loyalty to your servant, my father David, as he served you faithfully, properly, and sincerely. You have maintained this great loyalty to this day by allowing his son to sit on his throne.
NET 1 Ki. 8:23 He prayed: "O LORD, God of Israel, there is no god like you in heaven above or on earth below! You maintain covenantal loyalty to your servants who obey you with sincerity.
NET 1 Ki. 11:6 Solomon did evil in the LORD's sight; he did not remain loyal to the LORD, like his father David had.
NET 1 Ki. 12:20 When all Israel heard that Jeroboam had returned, they summoned him to the assembly and made him king over all Israel. No one except the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the Davidic dynasty.
NET 1 Ki. 12:27 If these people go up to offer sacrifices in the LORD's temple in Jerusalem, their loyalty could shift to their former master, King Rehoboam of Judah. They might kill me and return to King Rehoboam of Judah."
NET 1 Ki. 16:21 At that time the people of Israel were divided in their loyalties. Half the people supported Tibni son of Ginath and wanted to make him king; the other half supported Omri.
NET 1 Ki. 18:3 So Ahab summoned Obadiah, who supervised the palace. (Now Obadiah was a very loyal follower of the LORD.
NET 1 Ki. 18:12 But when I leave you, the LORD's spirit will carry you away so I can't find you. If I go tell Ahab I've seen you, he won't be able to find you and he will kill me. That would not be fair, because your servant has been a loyal follower of the LORD from my youth.
NET 1 Ki. 19:10 He answered, "I have been absolutely loyal to the LORD, the sovereign God, even though the Israelites have abandoned the agreement they made with you, torn down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword. I alone am left and now they want to take my life."
NET 1 Ki. 19:14 He answered, "I have been absolutely loyal to the LORD, the sovereign God, even though the Israelites have abandoned the agreement they made with you, torn down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword. I alone am left and now they want to take my life."

As you can see in this translation, loyalty is an issue in 1Kings. We can see Elijah stressing it in the Remnant context. There has been a lot of research and work done in the area of covenantal loyalty to better understand how God works.

If you're disagreeing with the concept of men choosing to remain loyal, or faithful, to God, then please make your case with Scripture.

The part not in the scripture duh

 

[Melach]

Deep, deep down Paul really did love God. It merely took a dramatic entrance by God into Paul's life to wake him up to all his hidden, latent, dormant love that Paul really had for God.

lol i nearly didnt notice it was you friend. i was about to respond like what you cannot be serious. hahaha. wouldnt be surprised if someone did answer this seriously. people just hate the idea that they arent the masters of themselves. its so engrained in humans

 

[PaulThomson]

Give me one text in scripture that teaches that unregenerate sinners love God! In my universe of the Holy Word of God, the Word teaches that there is no spiritual soundness in unregenerate sinners! In, fact their hearts are so desperately wicked and deceitful above all else, the prophet exclaims: "who can know/understand it" (Jer 17:9)? And you, sir, are the living, breathing poster boy that bears witness to the truth of the prophet's rhetorical question. You don't have the first clue!

Act 10. Cornelius.

 

[PaulThomson]

Nonsense! God has not granted anyone faith! He only granted them an opportunity to make a decision. And those who make the right decision effectuate their own salvation. They have chosen to capitalize on the opportunity to exercise their OWN faith.

You are denying scripture. No surprises there.

 

[PaulThomson]

Rom 11:5
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
KJV

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I reserved to myself seven thousand men, who did not bow the knee to Baal.
Rom 11:5 In the same way, then, at this present time also, there has become a remnant according to an election of/from grace. [genitive: a gracious election]
Rom 11:6 And if [an election] to/for/in grace (dative: chariti), then is it no more [election] by works (ex ergOn: genitive): otherwise grace (charis) is becoming (ginetai) no more grace (charis). But if it be out of works (ex ergOn: genitive), then is it (estin) no more grace (charis): otherwise work (ergon) is no more work (ergon).
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel did not obtain that which he is seeking for; but the election did obtain it, and the rest were blinded
In the same way, therefore, at this present time, there has been a remnant according to an election by grace

Basically, that the receiving of faith and growing in faith are two different yet related things. If I understand your point correctly, you seem to see only the latter.

The original point of the post in the chain (from GWH) that I replied to, was faith - faith as a fruit of the Spirit - it not being by man - after which, you joined that discussion. I was trying to show how true faith is spiritually imputed from/by Him (which I assumed your post continued to reference). So, by faith first having been spiritually imputed, we continue to intellectually grow/increase over time, into the faith we've been given spiritually, which manifests more and more into our awareness, and thereby, we grow in understanding and in our actions of faith - which is our growing in faith. Nevertheless, true faith, as the fruit of the Holy Spirit, was imputed unto us upon His indwelling within us.
Anyway, for whatever it's worth, as far as I can see, this is how faith as described by scripture, works.
Sorry, if I've am still misunderstanding your point.

[2Co 4:13 KJV] 13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

[Gal 3:23 KJV] 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

You may be confusing the word imputed with the word imparted.

 

[brightfame52]

Act 10. Cornelius.

He was regenerate, for he feared God.