Understanding God’s election

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Rufus

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It would seem that the fact God awakens us so we realize that we need Him and then allows us to put our faith into action to believe in Him is what makes Him so personal to begin with.

After all, God is attempting to have a personal relationship with us where the communication line is always open.
The DEAD cannot communicate with anyone.
 

Genez

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The perfect conformity to the image of the Christ.

Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order
that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

They do not understand the simplicity of the gospel and the commandment.
Only the Church was CHOSEN IN HIM.

Only Eve was IN ADAM when he was created.

We were chosen and predestined to be alive at a time, that to believe, would instantly include us into being the Bride of Christ!
That is what God predestined us for. Not predestined to believe. But, what was to become of us after knowing we would choose
to believe.

The Calvinists places us into a sterilization utensil, and makes us feel that we are nothing at all.
That God saves nothing. And, to them? That is being humble. But how can nothing be humble?

They are being told what to think, and also not to think.

I have bumped into Jehovah Witnesses with the same kind of group-think.
That they know... And, we are to be tolerated.

It's just another sleep-away camp designed by the god of this world.


........... he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son.

Conformed to His Image?
That also means? Our resurrection body!!!!!!!!
Only the Bride gets a body just like his own glorious body!
We will be 'bone of His bones, and glorious heavenly flesh of His glorified body!



Who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control,
will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Philippians 3:21
 

Genez

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The DEAD cannot communicate with anyone.
You presume that the Bible speaks of only one kind of death.
And, make it fit your desired outcome.

A spiritually dead person can recognize that he sins.
That is one reason why the Law was given.
To make man aware and cognizant of what sin is.
 

Rufus

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You presume that the Bible speaks of only one kind of death.
And, make it fit your desired outcome.

A spiritually dead person can recognize that he sins.
That is one reason why the Law was given.
To make man aware and cognizant of what sin is.
No, I presume that God knew exactly what he was doing when he employed the DEATH metaphor for sinners. (He didn't mean by the metaphor that mankind sustained a slight "flesh wound" when Adam fell). Spiritually dead sinners can also recognize the difference between apples and oranges, as well. :rolleyes: While the vast majority of mankind knows they are morally imperfect, i.e. they sin or are flawed, that doesn't mean that they have the power to bring themselves back to life in order to make spiritual decisions that are diametrically opposed to their evil nature. God cannot change his nature; neither can man. God cannot make any choice that is contrary to his holy, righteous, good nature; neither can man make any spiritual choice that is contrary to his profane, depraved, evil nature.
 

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No, I presume that God knew exactly what he was doing when he employed the DEATH metaphor for sinners. (He didn't mean by the metaphor that mankind sustained a slight "flesh wound" when Adam fell). Spiritually dead sinners can also recognize the difference between apples and oranges, as well. :rolleyes: While the vast majority of mankind knows they are morally imperfect, i.e. they sin or are flawed, that doesn't mean that they have the power to bring themselves back to life in order to make spiritual decisions that are diametrically opposed to their evil nature. God cannot change his nature; neither can man. God cannot make any choice that is contrary to his holy, righteous, good nature; neither can man make any spiritual choice that is contrary to his profane, depraved, evil nature.
If your doctor tells you you need a certain surgery, and you agree?
That does not mean you are able to perform the surgery....
 
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No, I presume that God knew exactly what he was doing when he employed the DEATH metaphor for sinners. (He didn't mean by the metaphor that mankind sustained a slight "flesh wound" when Adam fell). Spiritually dead sinners can also recognize the difference between apples and oranges, as well. :rolleyes: While the vast majority of mankind knows they are morally imperfect, i.e. they sin or are flawed, that doesn't mean that they have the power to bring themselves back to life in order to make spiritual decisions that are diametrically opposed to their evil nature. God cannot change his nature; neither can man. God cannot make any choice that is contrary to his holy, righteous, good nature; neither can man make any spiritual choice that is contrary to his profane, depraved, evil nature.
Exactly. Can a leopard change his spots, or an Ethiopian the colour of his skin?

Can a bad tree bring forth good fruit? Free willers say yes. Scripture says no.


From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you
were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

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Galatians 5:1; Romans 10:10a; Romans 6:17-18; Colossians 2:20 It was for freedom that Christ set us free. Therefore, stand firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. With the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness. Though you used to be slaves to sin, you have been set free from sin and become slaves to righteousness. You have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world.
.:)
 

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I plan on putting the final nails in the coffin of what is probably the major tenet to FWT heresy which is: Intrinsically Evil Men innately possesses the spiritual ability to make Good spiritual choices. In other words, Bad Trees can indeed bear the Good Fruit of faith and repentance. I'll start with this post tonight and Lord willing, I'll finish up tomorrow. This post will be short and sweet.

Eccl 5:18-6:2
18 Then I realized that it is good and proper for a man to eat and drink, and to find satisfaction in his toilsome labor under the sun during the few days of life God has given him — for this is his lot. 19 Moreover, when God gives any man wealth and possessions, and enables him to enjoy them, to accept his lot and be happy in his work — this is a gift of God. 20 He seldom reflects on the days of his life, because God keeps him occupied with gladness of heart.

6:1 I have seen another evil under the sun, and it weighs heavily on men: 2 God gives a man wealth, possessions and honor, so that he lacks nothing his heart desires, but God does not enable him to enjoy them, and a stranger enjoys them instead. This is meaningless, a grievous evil.
NIV

If this is true with material, earthly blessings that require God's gift of supernatural enablement before a man can enjoy his days on earth with the wealth and possessions God also gifted, then how much more is divine enablement necessary before any man can enjoy and rejoice in the spiritual gifts God may give him? If man isn't in control of his life with respect to material blessings and is unable to enjoy them on his own, how much less is he in control of his life when God freely and sovereignly gifts him with spiritual blessings, such as life (Jn 5:21), faith (Act 15:9; 18:27; Rom 12:2; Eph 2:8-9; 1Tim 1:14, etc.) and repentance (Act 11:18)?

Night, night. :coffee:
 

Rufus

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I did mention in the first sentence about WHEN GOD AWAKENS us...

Evidently, someone awakened by God is still DEAD to the malignant doctrine of tulip.
Oh...so you believe in effectual grace? God effectually awakens sleepers and sleep is a metaphor for death. So...does God awaken sleepers before or after they repent and believe the gospel?
 

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It would seem that the fact God awakens us so we realize that we need Him and then allows us to put our faith into action to believe in Him is what makes Him so personal to begin with.

After all, God is attempting to have a personal relationship with us where the communication line is always open.
I believe this post speaks for itself.
 

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If your doctor tells you you need a certain surgery, and you agree?
That does not mean you are able to perform the surgery....
Sarcasm ahead.....
None know about an illness. None know they need surgery. None know about a doctor. The invisible doctor performs surgery only on a few, and sends the rest to their incinerator box. We are just animals. Nothing more.

If we knew about our illness and in need of surgery.....that would take credit away from the surgeon.
 
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I plan on putting the final nails in the coffin of what is probably the major tenet to FWT heresy which is: Intrinsically Evil Men innately possesses the spiritual ability to make Good spiritual choices.
No! Spiritually dead men can not comprehend Bible doctrine. It is foolishness to them. 1 Corinthians 2:14
He can not understand truths like the Deity of Christ, the devil, and the reality of the Lake of Fire.

But, even while being simply human?

Such a unregenerated soul can still know what sin is!
And, that he is a sinner!

Pharaoh quickly summoned Moses and Aaron and said,
I have sinned against the Lord your God and against you.


Exodus 10:16​

Pharaoh was never regenerated!

In that regard... Having only a human viewpoint to work with... The Gospel presents to us someone who
is a perfectly moral man, named, Jesus. A "man" who loved God so much that he resisted sinning out of his desire
to please God.

And, out of wanting for every man to know the same love for God as he had?
He out of love died for our sins, so God could accept us.

One does not need to be spiritual to comprehend what I just said that means!
For even demons believe God is real! James 2:19.


The Gospel is geared towards the spiritually dead person.
Geared for a person who simply has learned that he is a sinner.

But, if the Gospel required that one knows that Jesus is God?
Then! No one could get saved. That requires the Spirit to understand.

When I decided to read that tract, and to accept the prayer?
I simply thought of Jesus as a man. A man who loved God so much that he refused to ever sin.
Being a Jew, I never had been exposed to Christian doctrines.

Then after saying the simple prayer for forgiveness.....

Even though I did not understand what involved salvation, and regeneration?
God saved me. Then it became both peaceful and weird for me.

I thought what I was experiencing might have been caused by some bad choices I made during my Hippy says.
For I could know that something was affecting my thoughts and feelings. Affecting me in a way that was foreign
to my natural self.

God regenerated me in spite of my ignorance. I simply believed on Jesus, the man who perfectly loved God.

Took ten years for it all to come together for me to finally realize that on that day I read the tract, something real happened.
That took dreams and visions to see it.


In Christ ..........