Understanding God’s election
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That still doesn't answer my question. If the Jews under the OC could NOT keep ALL the requirements of the Law ALL the Time under ALL circumstances, then what has changed from the OC period to the NC economy? Were people different under the Old dispensation from those under the New? If the OC people could not keep the demands of the Law, then what makes you think that those in the flesh today can obey the demands of the Gospel in order to be saved? In FWT, is it not MAN who makes all the difference in deciding his eternal destiny?
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If I may...
The reason man cannot take credit for his own eternal salvation is because the part of man that can respond to God was given by God: his spirit.
In the Ephesians passage above, Paul eludes to this: "Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed."
We should ask "Sensitivity to what?" Also, notice that man has lost something that they originally had. That thing is the leading of the Spirit.
The heart of a man's soul is wicked and unable to choose goodness BUT he may choose to NOT resist the Spirit of the Lord.
If anyone wishes I can add much more to this brief post.
The reason man cannot take credit for his own eternal salvation is because the part of man that can respond to God was given by God: his spirit.
In the Ephesians passage above, Paul eludes to this: "Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed."
We should ask "Sensitivity to what?" Also, notice that man has lost something that they originally had. That thing is the leading of the Spirit.
The heart of a man's soul is wicked and unable to choose goodness BUT he may choose to NOT resist the Spirit of the Lord.
If anyone wishes I can add much more to this brief post.
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I tell them there is nothing that they nor anyone can do to become saved - it comes only as a gift from God -that Jesus Christ alone is the Savior sent by God the Father and should they come to a true belief in Him as such, it is only because God had chosen them for salvation and has saved them - in taking them from non-believing to believing as its result. That is what makes Christ the Savior and man not.
Good catch, brother! The more literal translations read just as you say. The term "your" is not in any of them! The Darby reads:
Col 2:12
12 buried with him in baptism, in which ye have been also raised with [him] through faith of the working of God who raised him from among the dead.
Darby
This passage harmonizes beautifully with what Jesus taught in Jn 6:29 wherein he clearly stated that faith is a work of God. It must be, since we have another passage that teaches this about faith:
Acts 15:9
9 He made no distinction between us and them, for He [God] purified their hearts by faith.
NIV
And of course, these passages are consistent with Eph 2:8-9, etc. We don't have to become mental gymnasts to jump through man-made mental hoops in order to avoid passages that we don't like.
Col 2:12
12 buried with him in baptism, in which ye have been also raised with [him] through faith of the working of God who raised him from among the dead.
Darby
This passage harmonizes beautifully with what Jesus taught in Jn 6:29 wherein he clearly stated that faith is a work of God. It must be, since we have another passage that teaches this about faith:
Acts 15:9
9 He made no distinction between us and them, for He [God] purified their hearts by faith.
NIV
And of course, these passages are consistent with Eph 2:8-9, etc. We don't have to become mental gymnasts to jump through man-made mental hoops in order to avoid passages that we don't like.
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Did you actually expect me to go through the entire Bible explaining it all in a post? Really? That's absurd!
If you understood what it means that Christ is the Savior, then you should have realized the phrase is all-inclusive
of the gospel message since the gospel is about Him alone. I assumed you already knew that and kept it to basics- my mistake,
I overestimated you.
If you understood what it means that Christ is the Savior, then you should have realized the phrase is all-inclusive
of the gospel message since the gospel is about Him alone. I assumed you already knew that and kept it to basics- my mistake,
I overestimated you.