Understanding God’s election
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That's what I'm trying to establish with you. Are you saying it means that all mankind has been justified by God? If so, this is false. You only have to go back to verse 2 of the same chapter to show your error. The grace wherein the Christian stands comes by faith, and unbelievers by definition have not come to faith. This being the case, your explanation isn't credible.
Do you have an alternative explanation?
Do you have an alternative explanation?
I didn't say "to all men" means all mankind, Paul said that.
Condemnation and justification were both applied "to all men".
The Holy Spirit convicts "the world".
But you cannot receive all things unless you believe first.
You said, Thus, all men cannot possibly mean all mankind.
Paul said "to all men".
Your saying that Paul did not say "to all men" but to some men.
Go ahead and explain it!
Condemnation and justification were both applied "to all men".
The Holy Spirit convicts "the world".
But you cannot receive all things unless you believe first.
You said, Thus, all men cannot possibly mean all mankind.
Paul said "to all men".
Your saying that Paul did not say "to all men" but to some men.
Go ahead and explain it!
Then you are a living testimony, as many of us here are also, of God's effectual work within you.
DEAD people can't do diddly squat. Just ask the Israelites in the wilderness who God killed with serpents. Only those who remained alive had that ability -- even after they were bitten.
DEAD people can't do diddly squat. Just ask the Israelites in the wilderness who God killed with serpents. Only those who remained alive had that ability -- even after they were bitten.
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Romans 5:18-19
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness
there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners,
even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
The Jew cannot be justified except through Christ.
But Jesus died for all, so logically, all are justified. But that justification that is for the world is channeled through Christ.
That is Jews and Gentiles are likewise justified in Christ.
The grace of God is God's unconditional love for the Jew and the Gentile.
Jesus died for His creation and not just for the Jews even though Jesus, was sent only to the Jews.
If we ignore the context we will misunderstand what Paul is saying.
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness
there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners,
even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
The Jew cannot be justified except through Christ.
But Jesus died for all, so logically, all are justified. But that justification that is for the world is channeled through Christ.
That is Jews and Gentiles are likewise justified in Christ.
The grace of God is God's unconditional love for the Jew and the Gentile.
Jesus died for His creation and not just for the Jews even though Jesus, was sent only to the Jews.
If we ignore the context we will misunderstand what Paul is saying.
Sure. All men simply means all people groups. It was the common belief amongst Jews believed that salvation was largely limited to themselves. Jesus Himself acknowledged this in John 4:22...salvation is of the Jews. Yet we know from Revelation 7:9 that heaven consists of a multitude no man can number from every nation, kindred, people and tongue. All men is referring to every race of people regardless of nationality or culture.
You find this in the writings of John as well. John 3:16 isn't speaking of every single person. Instead, it is speaking of all races of people. Likewise, the whole world spoken of in 1 John 2:2 is speaking of all nations and peoples, and not every single person.
You find this in the writings of John as well. John 3:16 isn't speaking of every single person. Instead, it is speaking of all races of people. Likewise, the whole world spoken of in 1 John 2:2 is speaking of all nations and peoples, and not every single person.
That is a common flaw in those who appear fixated with Calvinism blinders on at all times. They know little to nothing about Calvinism. While thinking making the mere charge someone is a Calvanist even when they repeatedly state they are not is thought to be enough to disparage their defense of the Gospel.
When in truth the Calvinism fixated disparage themselves with their incessant Sin of hatred, and false witness.
A tragedy all around.
When in truth the Calvinism fixated disparage themselves with their incessant Sin of hatred, and false witness.
A tragedy all around.
Well that fire and life sometimes pops up here and again like today for instance it has a kind of joy that you cannot really explsin but it is a joy that you cannot help but want to spread
if you know what I am talking about then it doesn't matter what your stance is whether you are a calvinist a baptist a catholic you are a chosen one and believe me something is coming for his chosen ones something worth dancinh for joy
if you know what I am talking about then it doesn't matter what your stance is whether you are a calvinist a baptist a catholic you are a chosen one and believe me something is coming for his chosen ones something worth dancinh for joy
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