TONGUES is a precious gift from God

[Wansvic]

Grant it, that Paul stated he wished Everyone Spoke in Tongues...

Praying in an unknown tongue differs from operating in the Spiritual Gift of Tongues that requires Interpretation: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke in tongues MORE THAN those he was addressing. Paul's statement makes the point that they too actually spoke in tongues. But he did it more than they: "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all." (1 Cor. 14:18)

Paul's next comment makes the point that he primarily spoke in tongues outside of the church setting. 19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." (1 Cor 14:19)

 

[Godsgirl83]

Proverbs 22:1 sure does explain the choosing of a good name (something parents should keep in mind when naming their children)

at the same time, online names we choose for ourselves can reflect many different things, including showing/explaining blessing given and received

Just some food for thought

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Praying in an unknown tongue differs from operating in the Spiritual Gift of Tongues that requires Interpretation: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke in tongues MORE THAN those he was addressing. Paul's statement makes the point that they too actually spoke in tongues. But he did it more than they: "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all." (1 Cor. 14:18)

Paul's next comment makes the point that he primarily spoke in tongues outside of the church setting. 19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." (1 Cor 14:19)

And Paul also clarifies for those around when you Speak in Tongues but don't have interpretation "What we should do," by his example.

13 Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may [be gifted to] translate or explain [what he says].

14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive [because it does not understand what my spirit is praying].

15 Then what am I to do? I will pray with the spirit [by the Holy Spirit that is within me] and I will pray with the mind [using words I understand]; I will sing with the spirit [by the Holy Spirit that is within me] and I will sing with the mind [using words I understand].

So he gets specific that interpretation may or may not happen, but if you Speak in Tongues and don't have Interpretation then begin Praying and Singing with normal language.

We see this all of the time. Paul is proving what we see in most churches TODAY is factual and Godly!

 

[Lafftur]

You'll never be worthy. And God has already said he is willing. Praying in tongues strengthens the inner man.

Hello @Evmur

Apart from Christ, none of us are worthy but, IN CHRIST RAWisconsin IS worthy…

Be careful not to harm a broken spirit by saying “you’ll never be worthy.” Make sure they understand everything changes IN CHRIST.

 

[Lafftur]

Babble.

Wow…. pride goes before a fall because there was no fear of God….

The greater the pride, the harder the fall.

 

[Blain]

Wow that was beyond moving I have never heard of this man but wow

 

[Blain]

There is a time for everything - including many things that we would not wish to pass through.

You are simply pressing into a false spirit. You are trying to speak realities into a man's life - may the Lord tear down your words.

Answer a question in a living truth - don't make declarative proclamations of the time of things being at hand as a mechanism to refuse what is said to you in the name of Christ.

You can refuse what one man speaks to another man - you can turn away from the things said of your meanings when men foolishly seek to hold you up - but you cannot remove yourself from the reality of seeking to speak blessings into others lives - unless the Lord has sent you to speak.

It is a simple thing to test the spirits - by testing their words. It is the Lord who is going to tear down that false prophetic spirit that parades like a man - speaks like a man and desires to direct the children of God as a shepherd of their souls - yet speaks falsely.

You know if she was speaking reality into his life why would this be a problem? If it is spirit lead it will come to pass and he will be enriched from it if it isn't then her words hold no meaning or power thus there is no reason for God to tear down her words because it either is or isn't.

 

[Godsgirl83]

Wow that was beyond moving I have never heard of this man but wow

I encourage you to go to youtube (or wherever you listen to music) and search "Joshua Aaron" for more.
I am always blessed by his music.

 

[Nehemiah6]

1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

What exactly was Paul teaching here? That the whole purpose of spiritual gifts was for the edification of others, not oneself. But this verse is turned on its head to suggest that Paul was encouraging self-edification. However 1 Corinthians 12-14 is all about the Body of Christ and the edification of others (who in turn must edify you). Therefore chapter 13 is sandwiched between 12 and 14. And that is also why Paul said that he would rather speak 5 intelligible words of prophesy than 10,000 non-intelligible words in tongues.

 

[Wansvic]

What exactly was Paul teaching here? That the whole purpose of spiritual gifts was for the edification of others, not oneself. But this verse is turned on its head to suggest that Paul was encouraging self-edification. However 1 Corinthians 12-14 is all about the Body of Christ and the edification of others (who in turn must edify you). Therefore chapter 13 is sandwiched between 12 and 14. And that is also why Paul said that he would rather speak 5 intelligible words of prophesy than 10,000 non-intelligible words in tongues.

You left out the first part: 19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." (1 Cor 14:19)

Praying in an unknown tongue differs from operating in the Spiritual Gift of Tongues that requires Interpretation: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;...1 Cor 14:4

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke in tongues MORE THAN those he was addressing. Paul's statement makes the point that they too actually spoke in tongues. But he did it more than they: "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all." (1 Cor. 14:18)

Paul's next comment makes the point that he primarily spoke in tongues outside of the church setting. 19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." (1 Cor 14:19)

 

[Rhomphaeam]

You know if she was speaking reality into his life why would this be a problem? If it is spirit lead it will come to pass and he will be enriched from it if it isn't then her words hold no meaning or power thus there is no reason for God to tear down her words because it either is or isn't.

To properly respond to your questions would go well beyond the remit of the OP. So I won't try and do that here. What I can say to you brother is that in this thread you spoke of yourself as - "I have what is called discernment of the spirit I am very sensitive to the spirits voice and presence" and you said that to address the problem of how we can know whether a tongue is false or true.

So just as the gift of tongues is not manifest in those who believe that the gift has ended when the the book of Revelation was given and written down and yet are no less in life as we are in life - so neither can we discern a false spirit because we can discern the presence of the Holy Spirit. Sensitivity to the Holy Spirit does not mean sensitivity to other spirits.

But I am glad that you were blessed by the singing. Shalom

 

[VARob]

What exactly was Paul teaching here?

He was making a statement of fact. When a person speaks in tongues, he is edified.

That the whole purpose of spiritual gifts was for the edification of others, not oneself.

Prophesy, or tongues with interpretation, edify the church. Speaking in tongues to yourself edifies you, the person speaking. It also is giving thanks to God (1 Cor 14:17).

But this verse is turned on its head to suggest that Paul was encouraging self-edification.

Paul encouraged people to speak in tongues (1 Cor 14:5). He spoke in tongues more than the entire Corinthian church (1 Cor 14:18).

However 1 Corinthians 12-14 is all about the Body of Christ and the edification of others (who in turn must edify you). Therefore chapter 13 is sandwiched between 12 and 14. And that is also why Paul said that he would rather speak 5 intelligible words of prophesy than 10,000 non-intelligible words in tongues.

Yes, the primary context of 1 Cor 12-14 is the operation of the gifts of prophesy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues within the church (in public). In public, tongues is useless to everyone besides the speaker unless it is interpreted. That does not negate that when a person speaks in tongues he himself is edified.

 

[Grandpa]

I am very interested to know how are you able to discern the difference? @Blain @Gideon300 According to my understanding it is just an literal language spoken in the world. If you look at the context of the events of Pentecost. You will see that the disciples spoke in languages of the surrounding regions. The hearers could hear the disciples speak in their languages and what is happening in the world today? My view is just that its a deception. How does speaking in tongues help you spiritually?

Also @Lafftur ...

Coming into the presence of God takes concentration and putting off of self. This is done by, and in, prayer.

When speaking in tongues, in prayer, it helps you to move away from your own understanding, because often-times you don't understand the tongue you are speaking, which is to God.

If you are in prayer and you hear someone speaking tongues, the easiest way to discern if they are real or not real is if it helps your prayers, your concentration and your getting away from self. If it disrupts your thoughts and brings your focus to the one speaking the tongues instead of your presence before God, they are most likely not real but just babbling. The best example I could give is when someone is praying over people and you hear some of the people say "hallelujah" and "amen". It is not disruptive but actually helps the person praying come closer to Christ and Gods Will. A kind of agreement and encouragement.


I am not "fluent" in tongues. I was given a few words and that was it. I tried to become more fluent but it never happened for me. But those few words I was given have a profound effect on my prayers and concentration on the presence of God.


Tongues could very well be a literal language. But it is not one you yourself would be familiar with.

 

[SophieT]

People claim they've had the baptism of the Holy Spirit because they spoke in tongues; yet they did sinful things..... Now let's get something straight. There are some basic requirements for receiving any gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says, "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth" (John 14:15, 16, 17).

"And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him" (Acts 5:32).

A few years ago several famous TV evangelists fell by the way. They all claimed to be filled with the Holy Spirit and have the gift of tongues. But they were living in gross immoral disobedience. They would speak in tongues on TV, then leave the studio to live a compromising life. Something just wasn't right. These men also caused me to wonder, "If this is the genuine gift of tongues, then why do these charismatic evangelists need an army of interpreters to translate for them when they preach overseas?"

there are no more requirements for being filled with the Holy Spirit then there are for salvation. none

you seem to know all about it while not knowing much. typical and those always opposed are enjoying your posts

when I first was filled with the Holy Spirit (what some are calling baptism) I supposed all my problems were now solved...If I remember right I was 17 or 18) but that is not the way it is at all. if anything, you had better get your spiritual head on straight because you are opening up a door into the spiritual realm or world and you are susceptible to being deceived

we are all susceptible to being deceived but none so much as those who do not believe they can be or are deceived

those gathered in the upper room on the day of Pentecost did not have a check list to see if they were worthy but all were filled no matter where they were in their life and it is the same today. as no one can claim perfect obedience it is not logical to state only those in 'obedience' receive the Holy Spirit. we are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ....a seal was only meant to be opened by the one to whom the letter was sent...in the same manner, if we are sealed, then no one can break that seal until the One who put it there receives us to be with Him

who are the obedient? those who have accepted Christ. there is no keeping of the commandments or some sort of perfection

there is no gift that will create the perfect human being....we are just as liable to sin speaking in tongues then not, so that is not the test of anything but the heart of sinful people and not a judgement on any gift of God by His Spirit

we know sinful speak in tongues because we have the church at Corinth as an example....and we see the correction given by Paul. I'm not sure most would accept correction of that nature today.

the other thing, is that far too many people claim to have this gift or that gift when God did not call them and did not give them a thing. the Holy Spirit does not make mistakes and He is the One who gives the gifts a God's direction

what is missing more than anything else, is proper teaching in the gifts.

there is far too much abuse and far too much is accredited to the Holy Spirit when He had nothing to do with it

I have known people who have prayed and prayed to receive the gift of tongues (not understanding there are several gifts there) and nada...never did receive. the heart is an interesting instrument

 

[SophieT]

As usual pride has raised it's nasty head among those who have been deceived by this speaking in tongues belief.

and you know that because you can judge righteously and have a view on everyone's heart and know all things?

right

fine if you do not believe or want to receive...for some that might actually be wisdom....but you are assuming you know all things

if a person is healed by God by His Spirit and another is not, does that negate the truth of the first person?

 

[SophieT]

I believe that many fail to realize their personal prayer language (tongues) was not intended to be used in the church setting and confusion is the unintended result.

this makes sense

 

[Blain]

To properly respond to your questions would go well beyond the remit of the OP. So I won't try and do that here. What I can say to you brother is that in this thread you spoke of yourself as - "I have what is called discernment of the spirit I am very sensitive to the spirits voice and presence" and you said that to address the problem of how we can know whether a tongue is false or true.

So just as the gift of tongues is not manifest in those who believe that the gift has ended when the the book of Revelation was given and written down and yet are no less in life as we are in life - so neither can we discern a false spirit because we can discern the presence of the Holy Spirit. Sensitivity to the Holy Spirit does not mean sensitivity to other spirits.

But I am glad that you were blessed by the singing. Shalom

Yes I was very blessed by the song it made me want to sing praise to him but what I wanted to speak in my heart words would not suffice. To be honest I have sometimes wondered if there is a type of tongues that only the heart can speak, sometimes am overcome by my love and affection for him and my endearment but words simply cannot express the depth of it so I pour my love and affection with my heart as if speak a language of the heart words with no sound and a language with no words as if more thandimply speaking it but pouring it directly into him.

If this is a type of tongues it certainly is beautiful

 

[TheLearner]

Acts 2 makes it plan that Tongues is human languages. Intellible words is what the mystry religions did back then.

 

[Blain]

Acts 2 makes it plan that Tongues is human languages. Intellible words is what the mystry religions did back then.

I am by no means an expert on the matter but babbling nonsense has never sit well with me in fact tongues is one the gifts that I am very offended by people faking it is an insult to the holy spirit to me

 

[Aidan1]

and you know that because you can judge righteously and have a view on everyone's heart and know all things?

right

fine if you do not believe or want to receive...for some that might actually be wisdom....but you are assuming you know all things

if a person is healed by God by His Spirit and another is not, does that negate the truth of the first person?

It would be not such a problem to believe that tjis gift is for today Christians, if it would be taught in a Biblical way (1.Cor. 12,-14). Which says clear that not all believers will receive this gift.
But this teaching enters the world since 1901 with an binding to the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Thst means: before this time and also in the churches of the world speaking in tongues was not practised and not given.
Out of some cults qhichvseems to prepare the time of the pentecostal and later charismatic movements.
If speaking in tongues as it is mainly taught today, is for us today. I would expect it in all Christian denominations and not outgoing from special places like azuza/ topeka and so on. And for shure not with Events we could find in spiritism, too.